Test for psychic people

Haha, me like. That is quite witty, I must say

But at the same time, shut it

And no, I do not forgive you.

 

It was quite witty, wasn't it?

Not a chance.

Were you under the impression that forgiveness benefits someone other than yourself?

 

Yes, Wolverine. He thought that was bang out of order!

 

We could probably find some way to explain it away, if we tried.

But frankly your story suggests to me that you MIGHT have a bit of a psychic gift, and it makes me wonder if you've had any other experiences in a similar vein.

As part of my resolution to try to play nicer, I'm going to tell you another story from my life. We can call this Story #2.

This involves the same woman as in my first story, whom I've already revealed as my current wife, and this happened a bit over a year later.

I was talking to her on the phone, long-distance. We were doing this daily. I had still never met her in person, but I had foolishly allowed myself to fall in love with her. Silly me.

So anyway she was talking to me excitedly about something or other, and in my state of temporary insanity (i.e., in love) I was listening enraptured by the sound of her voice.

Suddenly I found myself inside her head, looking out through her eyes. I could clearly tell what she was doing as she talked, and I had a vague awareness of what the room she was in was like.

I interrupted her and asked, "Are you pacing?"

"Yes," she said.

"And you have the phone on your left ear, and you're gesturing with your right hand?"

"Yes!" she said. "How did you know?"

Eventually I learned that she always puts the phone to her left ear. This is in contrast to my habit - I hate using the phone on my left ear; it feels unnatural.

I also eventually flew across the country to visit her, and I got to see the room she was in when she was talking to me. I admit that my recollection of the room in my vision wasn't clear enough for me to recognize anything clearly and specifically, but the overall impression was similar - brown, drab carpet, dimly lit, and sparsely furnished.

Like Story #1, I have also retold this story over and over many times since right after it happened, and always with essentially the same details. And like the first story, my wife can confirm it.

 

zengizmo,

A question, if you will:

Do you believe that you are

a) projecting a probable future
b) creating the future
c) remembering the future
d) something else altogether
??
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youfreeme,
Hang in there. Those who already know lack the capacity to learn.

 

If you will, what is your question in reference to? I don't understand what my posts so far have to do with the future, since I'm talking about things that happened in the past. Or are you referring to something else you're not explicitly stating?

 

At the time of the experience(s), it was a vision of the future or the past, since relativity denies the concept of "simulaltaneous". An esoteric point, but nevertheless a valid and (scientifically) necassary one.

Even so-called "clarivoyance" would actually be one or the other, even if removed only a single nano-second in time.

In your case, since you became aware of knowledge without being aware of having previously acquired said knowledge, "future" is appropriate.

Details of remembered but un-recorded experiences are far too subject to Uncertainty due to the proximinty of the Observer. It can always be argued that memory is an ever changing thing.

What interest me is your personal assesment of the source and power of, not a particular experience, but the experiences as a class.

Is that clear?

 

I'm pretty sure the OP's word was "edit"



what do I win?

 

Clear enough, I think.

I expect this discussion must of necessity stray into conjecture...

I think you would probably agree with me that theoretical physics has not yet arrived at the explanation of all phenomena? That being said, I would offer my conjecture, my personal belief as it were, that relativity is not the final picture of reality. My personal belief, based on my experiences, is that simultaneity does in fact exist, and my personal hypothesis to explain its existence is that the underlying basis of the universe is not space/time or matter/energy, but rather awareness.

Do you see where I'm going with this?

 

Yes-- but I hope I'm wrong.
Relativety stands proven. Speed of light limitations within your own brain make all stimuli past events-- But that's beside the point, anyway.

I was explaining my terminology, not debunking you.

Can you elaborate and venture a hypothesis as to your own core experiences on a deeper basis?

Or are you resorting to that old bugaboo, "faith"?

I have had so-called "psychic" experiences that dwarf the ones you've related, and I seek other, in depth opinions on the subject.

 

I never said relativity was wrong. What I'm saying is that relativity is a small box within a larger box, just as Newtonian physics is a smaller box within the larger box of relativity. However I suspect that the difference between the Newtonian box and the Einsteinian box is infinitesimal compared to the difference between the Einsteinian box and the "ultimate" box.

Anyway geckopelli, the goal is really to try to break out of boxes altogether, isn't it? Take the starch and stiffening out of the boxes in which we've imprisoned ourselves and stretch our minds to embrace fresh and startling new paradigms?

It can be a bit scary though...if we get too radical in our thinking, we might lose face with those whose respect we've worked hard to gain and hold...somebody might even say we're deluded, and then we might need to run the gamut of the mental health orthodoxy...

As to my hypothesis, I think you may have dismissed it before thinking it through. I should re-phrase my previous statement however - I said awareness is the underlying basis of the universe, but I think that's not quite right. I think awareness - or you could call it "spirit," if you're coming from that particular paradigm - is not space/time or matter/energy at all, but rather the source and sustenance of the physical universe.

If I called it "God," would you turn up your nose and dismiss me as an ignorant religious (some people think these two terms are synonymous) dweeb? Well we don't need to call it "God" if you object to the term.

The point is, if awareness were the source and sustenance of the universe, both standing apart from and permeating the physical universe, and awareness were also the source of what we term our "psychic experiences," then there is no reason why we would need to be shackled by the limitations of the speed of light, is there? That constant is part of the physical universe, not of ultimate existence.

As far as "faith" goes, I would submit to you that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why we need to find any intellectual explanation for our experiences. The fact is that you and I are the kind of person who is never satisfied until we think we understand what the hell is going on - but that doesn't make us in any way superior to those who just live their lives without all this intellectual decoration - in fact, they might be better off than we are, because they have fewer impediments to direct experience, fewer barriers to overcome. I'm grateful for my intellect, because I think it enriches my life, but from a spiritual standpoint I don't think it's doing me any favors.

 

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