Kick arse Bible phrases... Psalms 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Matthew 10:34-36 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them. Psalms 58:10 The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. Leviticus 24:16. And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, dying let him die. All the multitude shall stone him, whether he be a native or a stranger. He that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, dying let him die. Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood [shall be] upon them. Exodus 22:18 Thou shalt not allow a witch to live Deuteronomy 13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; 13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth; 13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: 13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; Matthew 13:41: The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
hmmm you have as the main character in the christian bible this bloke who forgives people while they crucify him , that teaches non violence to the point of being a idiot . then you have mohammed a man who beheaded hundreds of people at a time tortured people made people into slaves and who led armys and who taught you get rewards in heaven by fighting jihad . Ive read the bible 34 times and Ive read the quran a number of times there are some very violent passages in the bible but mostly pre jesus and these no longer apply after the teachings of jesus . The reverse is true in islamic theology the more peaecful verses in the quran are abrogated by the later more violent ones that do not preach co-existence but warfare
For the sake of argument I just have to believe you have read the bible 34 times, but seriously man, have you nothing better to do with your time? Also, the religion of Islam is 500 or so years younger than Christianity, so those believers may yet come up with a new testament type of thing. Perhaps Saddam will play the Jesus role. If they ever get a more prosperous environment to live in, I imagine the religion would get more passive. And like, if Jesus said his dad was wrong about things, wouldn't that annoy god a little. Honour thy father and mother, you know. Maybe there's some kind of deity family fued going on that humans don't know about, like there has been in our royal family before and like there is in the House of Saud today. Ok I know, but religion is the opium of the masses is it not? People drift away from it when there's better drugs on the market, like tv, playstation, shopping malls and Top Gear:H
well I haven’t read the bible in many years but from the age of 7-8 I used to read it and memorise it every day I got up at 6 in the morning to study scripture before school I did that till I was In my twenties . This isn’t that unusual you get lots of Muslims who try to learn to recite the entire quran I did a similar thing but different scripture “People drift away from it when there are better drugs on the market, like TV, play station, shopping malls and Top Gear” Hmmm what if you’re in a society or a subset of a society that shun TV play stations shopping malls and top gear, or maybe kill and attack people who leave or preach things that make people leave I don’t think there is going to be that big a reformation of islam
We were in that sort of situation 500 years ago, and religion and religious persecution was thriving. I agree though, I don't think I will ever see a reformation of Islam. It may happen one day though. If I were an independent, impartial advisor to the Islamic world, I'd say they have to get it together, stop hating each other, if they want to advance their cause.
hmm ..and the (irish) protestants and catholics didn't stop hatin each other even until late 90s and that is 1990s! do they love each other now ? CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS, EXTREMISTS, TERRORISTS ..and that's just one example
You can't associate someone's belief in a certain issue to have some blind dumb belief. I don't understand why you would have decided to be deep and cryptic by placing a star over the word puedo, what were your expectations to people's reaction over this issue? 'Let's send the boys over and bomb them!' You must be more narrowminded than expected! There is a truth that there are active Islamic extremists in this country and I wish they weren't here. I also feel that the failed terrorist/demonstrators were known to the secret services even though it's claimed that they were unknown. The secret services seemed to have acted very quickly to arrest a number of people throughout the country. Blocking off the M6 very soon after. I believe it's good PR for national security to allow some fear to command the general public opinion, it will also begin to harbour a growing hatred and xenophobia and a feeling of jingoism. So even though I feel these acts of resistance were genuine I feel they could have been stopped without them ever being implemented. I'm sure there are many other incidents happen that we never have any knowledge of. But two unexploded car bombs in London and a suicidal ramraid for Glasgow airport is good PR. I, for one feel as cynical as that about the whole episode. So I wouldn't cry for a public hanging, just for them to be treat as civilised rational, educated people with a personal/subjective innate belief in what is good; and see the Uk as enemies when they are facing trial. Whereas, if they were unbalanced, sick and enjoyed playing with kids sexually, well then I ask; 'What rehabilitation can there be?' But not to divert the topic away, I say it rhetorically!
Then what is it? I mean surely, it produces euphoric feelings, takes away responsibility, requires constant added sensory inputs. Seems like opium to me.
You're suggestion makes the point that there's something damaging to have a belief system. Firstly, it can gave a structure or strategy for dealing with events in life, not so much a crutch but more of a safety net. Secondly, rather than take away responsibility it creates a responsibility to take control of your own life, and try to lead it in a righteous and compassionate way, depending on your demonination. As for producing euphoric feelings; what's wrong in that? Afterall there's no need to chase the dragon to acheive that state of mind, and to end, that euphoric feeling could give a perfect clarity to your own life. A beleif system is a deeply personal state. There's nothing wrong with being an agnostic or atheist, if you're happy to burn in hell.
Personally, I hate being called an athiest, I'm not anything. Why do deity believers insist on labeling us, hrumph, bloody theists. Anyway, personal belief systems are fine, we all have then at some level but organised religion, that is, ascribing to someone elses belief system has been and always will be extremely damaging to the human condition. Also, religious extremists always want to murder the non believers first, then move onto the other religions, not fair I say. And all the cool people would be in hell anyway
We all have to label to give understanding. That's just the way of life and to allow the ability to gain knowledge, and its not a theological rationale. To finish, I may sound like a bible basher but I couldn't be any further from being one than I am right now, I just have a personal belief that has been growing stronger and stronger for the last 7/8 years. I often feel that Nietzsche's professing of the death of god was a lament rather than a celebration.
Islamic Extremists -want us out of the holy land -want the world to be islamisicised. (however you spell it) -have the blind passion necessary to make it so -are a fairly unified front unlike the west which is just a mess of war-hawks, liberals (those who are too busy fretting about the human rights of others to notice that they are stamping on our rights, and yes i am referring the the danish cartoons yes i am referring to the fact that Kafeel Ahmed is being kept alive at the cost of £5,000 a day.), fucking journalists (i have a pet hate for them, they just get too much out of people's suffering) and lying oliticians who are all pulling in different directions. we are crippled as compared to the Radical Islamic front. -are an issue, yes Reverend, despite the fact that it may be only a few botched attempts look at 9/11, look at 7/7, look at the outcry over the danish cartoons there is quite obviously an undercurrent of hate that will manifest itself and yes i know the analogy is cliche but 90% of an iceberg is underwater. there is support for what these "few silly people" are doing - in many primarily islamic countries literacy rates are poor, and for you mr. Reverend and all the others who, like so many parrots, chant "NO EVIDENCE NO EVIDENCE" here is some evidence. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Literacy_rate_world.PNG this is based on the UN's figures from 2005 now if i may direct your by this point somewhat wavering attention to the literacy rates in primarily islamic countries Overall definition: age 15 and over can read and write Iraq 40.4% Iran 80% Syria 79.8% Saudi Arabia 78.8% Sudan 46.1% Egypt 57.7% Oman 75.8% Qatar 82.5% (they put "special emphasis" on education here UAE 77.9% Yemen 50.2% So this means that most adults can't read and write- if you find out the mean average literacy rate 66.6 percent of the adult population in these countries- youll know with some maths that 33.4 percent of these people cannot even read their own holy book. So for them to know what they believe they have to be told what it is to be a muslim, and it doesnt take well-educated westerners like us, haha, to know that any good spin doctor can make a good number of these people into good muslim terrorists. so it doesnt matter a damn what it says in the Qu'ran if these people don't even know the word of Allah for themselves. so if a preacher tells them that it is the will of Allah for them to die in the field of battle, and in exchange Allah will gurantee them direct passage to heaven, most of these illiterate country boys and girls are going to jump at the chance no? - Last point i promise dont believe that it is only the qu'ran advocationg and encouraging jihad Milestones or Ma'alim fi al-Tariq is a rather big factor. in its pages is a revolutionary look at the islamic scriptures and a violent interpretation of what the Qu'ran really says the authour was being tortured and imprisoned by british forces in egypt i think it was at the time he wrote this, so you can kinda feel where all this bile came from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma%27alim_fi_al-Tariq this is a link to the page on this book if you want Yes reverend this is infact a "source" im sure you are truly shuddering with delight and preparing as you read to launch an oh-so-scathing assult on me. let 'er riip. By the way, has anyone looked at the news from Iraq recently? seen a journalist in any of the shots? nope. thats because they stay inside the green zone these daysm buy the videos from iraqi sources and dub their voices on top of it, so they don't have to risk anything. Just thought you all might like to know that P.s Skimpot your use of the "religion is the opiate of the masses" point is very well placed. yes it is like an opiate, for thousands of years in europe and the west in general it has kept the population for the most part docile and yes it does take away responsibility yes it does create euphoria and like opium is has bad sides too Fervor, Extremism (isnt that the subject of this thread), Racism (christianity sponsored the crusades), segregation (Mormons and gentiles, jews and goyas, muslims and infidels, Christians and heretics.) just to name a few perhaps its structured religion thats the opiate of the masses? *takes big breath* nice little video series here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9sCA1sjOGQ&mode=related&search=
You know, when the IRA launched a terrorist attack, we never blamed catholocism, so it strikes me as odd when we blame Islam for the islamist nutters.
well, some did. that's just the nature of people. but you had a better, closer, more encompassing understanding of why it happened and what was to be done about it. the middle east...well, it's just so far away. it's just SO FOREIGN for a lot of people. and the ira probably didn't go on and on and on about their catholic god requiring people to sacrifice themselves for their god and recruit so heavily based on religion. it's something a little more understandable to our secularish mind. it's a culture divide, for sure.
the ira never called themselves holy warriors the irish fight for independence was as much a political struggle as a religious one (the irish catholics were poor as hell and treated like shit on the english boots) the ira never blew up a pub or whatever screaming "the trinity the trinity" or "virgin mary virgin mary" or anyother religious saying. are you saying that to make a point, or are you just joking? "we blame Islam for the islamist nutters" if your joking, that is a shite joke. if you arent joking or making a point find some other means to refer to them if you think that blaming islam for "islamist nutters" is odd.