Terrorism Is Alien to Islam

Buddhism is considered to be an extension of Hinduism, and Vivekananda , the hindu prophet himself said that buddhism was the logical fulfilment of hinduism. Buddhists are considered as hindus by vivekananda and gandhi and other scholars. The monks in the Hindu ramakrishna mission are initiated ,before a statue of the Buddha.

As I said , caste system and untouchability are not sanctioned by the vedas, and they are purely a feudal system, which is prevalent in some rural areas not under the jurisdiction of the police. And it is mainly these people who are going to buddhism.

The rapidly developing economy of India will ensure that modernised police stations will reach all nooks and corners of India, along with very good judiciary and courts , which will vastly improve the law and order situation in India.

Hindu spiritual organisations are also working on a war footing to eradicate caste discrimination , and elevate dalits socially, education wise, and financially.

And I know of many muslim women killed brutally for wanting to marry their lovers who belong to other religions.

Yup.:H

 

Yeah I can.

 

Well, then, given what you've said,
I don't see how you belong in a religion forum.
You condemn Muslims for having a religion,
and your value system seems to be governed by
monetary assets and racial profiling...
hardly virtues where I'm coming from.

 

I didn't condemn Islam but islamic terrorism .

My value system is governed by adherence to reason, logic, love, nobility, good work ethics, acceptance of other faiths, justice, truth, non-violence, courage , enterprise, modesty, selfrespect, selfconfidence and righteousness.

 

Oh, sure, I can tell...
You seem to have a consistant problem with Muslims,
and I dare say the only reason you're here is to
badmouth us for some kind of personal fulfillment.
I'd ask you to please stop referring to people as
'islamic terrorists,' and either call a man one or the other,
as the correlation you're insinuating is what makes it
so difficult for a Muslim to safely walk down the street.

 

I have a consistent problem with muslim terrorists. Not only me, but many nations in the world too.

So I guess all the millions of people in various countries who are badmouthing islamic terrorists have some kind of personal fulfillment.

I am addressing islamic terrorists as islamic terrorists, not muslims as islamic terrorists. However those who support what these idiots are doing are also islamic terrorists in my book.

And why do you think people in other religions have no such problem.

 

Ali:
I am not a soldier. In fact, I refused military service in the U.S., back in the Vietnam era, and emigrated to Canada. I love Canada and consider it one of the better places to live.

I am trying to figure what is happening in the Mideast. In the Vietnam era I learned that most sources are biased, and that to get to the truth beyond the biased information you have to cross-check your sources against one another and attempt to recognize and discard ideological rant or mistruth.

In particular I have to recognize my own cultural biases and realize that what I see as normal, for example women with exposed heads and shoulders, might be seen as disgusting by people from another culture.

While I keep my cultural bias, and believe my Western culture is preferable in some ways to other cultures, I have to allow for and try to understand your (Arab) point of view. Failing that, we will not have any communication beyond a shouting match. See the above postings for examples.

 

Now you're approaching racism.
This repeated berating of an entire culture,
with no point or cause, is becoming ridiculous.

Dirtydog, you are right that this tiresome
back-and-forth is both irritating and pointless,
but what can be expected? I'm not claiming
to be a very righteous man, that's not why
I'm arguing. The reason I continue is that,
if I were to simply walk away, shrug it off,
and leave him to his utter, unprovoked hatred-
seeing that it is merely his life choice- it would
be the same as sanctioning that hatred, and
the crimes committed against my brothers and
sisters every day, simply for their being Muslim.

That's the way things work, unfortunately.
Everybody believes they have a good reason
for arguing, and so the fighting continues.
See you at the next installment of
"Ridiculous Hate Rants" on the hipforums,
brought to you by niranjan and myself.
~Enjoy
(Because, even if this ends,
another argument will immediately pop up.
That's society, and that is what we have.)

 

Dirty Dog-


I'm sorry to mislead you, but I'm a white revert (we don't say convert since we believe everyone is born muslim). I do try to study my religion extensively. I should also point out that I'm sunni and I have a strong bias against shi'is. If you want to see shia practices for yourself, check this out.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XgLj6HlyBe8

I'm glad to see your very open minded. Most Canadians are I actually live close to Detroit so I get Canadian tv. Its really refreshing to see people with an open mind in the North American Continent.


niranjan-

If your against terrorists, ok. But your not. You are against Islam and you infer that there is something inherently evil in Islam and Islam breeds terrorists.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=j_Bkqwzl_Yg

Also, before I was a muslim I tried to date many Indian girls. Of course I could'nt because I was not hindu. Case closed.

 

And what indeed is the need for you to have a strong bias against shias. Arent they too muslims. Similarly with the ahmediyas and the bahais. Don't you think enough blood has been shed within Islam and it is time to accept others even if they are different.

As again I wish to repeat that I am against only islamic terrorism , not islam or muslims. I like some of Muhammads teachings, am a fan of sufism, and have many muslim heroes like dara shakoh, akbar, imran khan, ghaffar khan, inayat khan, masood, rumi , abdul kalam, and others.

There are many muslims and people of other religions who date hindu girls , and there are many hindu boys too who date muslim girls and girls of other religions in India. Inter religious marriages are common in India. There is no problem at all.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I believe Mohandas Gandhi was raised in the Hindu faith and tradition. At one point during the Hindu/Muslim conflict in India in the late 1940's, someone tried to get him, a Hindu, to support an action against Muslims. And Gandhi shocked his listeners by saying, "I am a Muslim." With that statement he cut the ground from under those Hindus who expected him to act in a pro-Hindu, anti-Muslim fashion. (Readers who have background information on this, please fill me in on the details of this event.)

We should also note that Malcolm X, a black American and a radical leader who converted to Islam, made the hajj to Mecca. While there he noticed blonde, blue-eyed Muslims and became aware that followers of Islam are not racist. Malcolm X brought this revelation back to America, started preaching a non-racist version of Islam, and was assassinated by followers of "Nation of Islam" leader Elijah Muhammad for his efforts.

We should also note the words of the Christian, Martin King Jr., who said,
"We must live together as brothers, or we will die together as fools."

 

Later in his life when Gandhi was asked whether he was a Hindu, he replied:

"Yes I am. I am also a Christian, a Muslim, a Buddhist and a Jew."


Now do you understand the context.

Yeah I saw the film and liked it a lot. Sad to see that such a brave and noble man was also a victim of islamic terrorism.

It is the islamic terrorists who have a problem with living together as brothers, not us , which includes the moderate muslims .

Incidentally Martin King Jr. acknowledged Gandhi as his mentor, and adopted his teachings of non-violence and civil disobedience with great effect in America.

 

I was just wondering if anyone knew the specific context, date, location, people involved, when Gandhi made his "I am a Muslim" statement. Of course I can research the statement myself if I ever get off my ass.

 

Perhaps this happened during 1947 , when India was partitioned which followed bloody riots between muslims on one hand, and hindus and sikhs on the other hand.

 

Nirjan, your an Islamophobe. Malcolm X died because of Islamic terrorism? The Nation of Islam is not a muslim organization! They are simply a black nationalist movement and add religious nonsense to it with statements like "God is Black" and bullcrap like that.


Why do I have a bias against shi'is? I think I mentioned why, but if not, here we go. They curse the campanions of Muhammad SAWS and they curse sunnis. It is part of thier religion to lie. Some shaykhs say they are not muslim. So to your questuin "arn't they muslim too?" I say no. Same with all the other groups you named.

 

I thought he didn't become interested in hinduism until he went to college in England.
I should brush up on this...

 

I think you can say I am a Islamoterrorismophobe. :jester:

They are indeed muslims and follow islam and worship Allah and follow the quran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam

Funny, the shias say the same about you guys.

 

Why don't you guys get out the dueling pistols and settle things at twenty paces?

 

Are you referring to the shia - sunni - ahmediyas - Nation of Islam - sufi conflicts , or are you referring to me and the other guys in this thread !!!

 

Well, it does sound like a fun way to spend a friday afternoon