Taoist God of Liquor

Discussion in 'Taoism' started by wooleeheron, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Babylonians love to ramble about things they have no physical evidence for whatsoever and know nothing about. Neurologists have already established that our thoughts emerge from our emotions and vice versa. I am writing a theory of everything, and you keep attempting to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs. Harmony is only when we no longer make distinctions between who we are and what we are doing. How you get there is your business, but instant karma's gonna getcha!
     
  2. Ajay0

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    Well, good luck with that. But Tao or Brahman transcends mere theories or theorizing, and have nothing to do with them. Perhaps you are in the wrong place.
     
  3. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    No, you are making a common logic error, popular among the religious and atheist alike, because it supports entrenched wealth. The Tao is what's missing from this picture, known as the Great Void and Mother of All, which makes all the difference in the world, precisely because 42 is as good as it gets. Its a singularity and even the concept of wu-wei-wu expresses a singularity. The Bagua expresses the Four Seasons, or the supersymmetry of the singularity. Basically, half the world around us is inexplicable and magical for all practical purposes, and I have a dozen ways to prove by scientific standards and put it to good use, including manipulating time and gravity in new ways. You might as well argue that I can't make a better mouse trap, because I don't believe in gibberish.

    For me, the Tao is not an abstraction, its not just words on paper. We are all spirits in the material world, and I suggest you learn something about what that means in modern scientific terms. When singularities become common, you will start to comprehend.
     
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  4. Ajay0

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    Don't you think the above statement is a contradiction in itself !
     
  5. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Of course it is a contradiction, but is a demonstrable contradiction. The words I'm writing this moment can be considered demonstrable evidence that I am writing. The fact that life ultimately makes no damned sense is demonstrable, because it does so in a supersymmetric fashion, that can even be demonstrated using words. Quantum effects are real, magic is real, and you cannot deny these simple facts forever, because the greater context of the truth always reveals itself. Again, you are merely making a common mistake, pushed on the public by academics supporting entrenched wealth.
     
  6. Ajay0

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    But what does all this have to do with the Tao or Brahman which is perceived through the purified consciousness and not through the intellect !
     
  7. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    As I already said, harmony is only when we no longer make distinctions between who we are and what we are doing, which can even be measured quantitatively these days using a variety of brain scanning technology, including the ability to track quantum induced vibrations in the brain. In other words, forget about who you think you are, modern science is about to show you who you are, then you can talk me about God. The mathematics I'm helping to develop include how to tweak the brain like a musical instrument, and you won't even have to practice meditation. Forget about sensory deprivation, this is the real deal.
     
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    If I may ask, why do you want to complicate such a simple thing with all sorts of complex abstractions and theories, while claiming alongside incessantly that the Tao is not a abstract concept!
     
  9. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The Tao is demonstrable, and it is you who keep claiming it is not! The Tao requires no defense, it requires nothing more then demonstration. Modern science demands proof, so they shall get what they demand, because it is time, it is Childhood's End, the turning point. Humanity must evolve or die, and mother nature will not let us die.
     
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    If the Tao is demonstrable, then why did Lao Tsu claim that the Tao cannot be understood intellectually...

    The Tao which can be expressed in words is not the eternal Tao; the name which can be uttered is not its eternal name. ~ Lao Tsu
     
  11. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Because a paradox cannot be comprehended, but the paradox of our existence is undeniable when confronted with enough evidence. Westerners especially tend to think they are all alone in their heads, but mother nature always has the last laugh. What is demonstrable will not be denied and the greater truth of the paradox of our existence is about to be revealed, because even idiots like humanity grow up one day. We are getting into the cabinets and mother nature has no choice but to start locking them.
     
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    The paradox here cannot be comprehended intellectually, but can be comprehended through experiential understanding through the medium of meditation or nondual perception.

    But nondual or unitary perception can emerge only by transcending the intellect and giving up all futile attempts to conceptualize the Tao which ironically will only serve to prevent its perception. It is intuition and not logic that is the comprehending instrument here. As thought cannot grasp the Tao, pure consciousness which is subtler than thought is used for this purpose.
     
  13. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Neurologists are close to the point of manipulating your brain like a piano or FM radio to produce whatever state you want, and they can already make you cream your jeans or see Jesus and can even take videos of your dreams. The mind and brain are merely the radio that happens to resemble a computer, as a way to filter out all the noise and figure out what to ignore. Our awareness and consciousness are nonlocal quantum effects and modern science is about to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. You could say our brains focus the awareness of the universe in our local environment, and we are all part of the collective unconscious.

    Paradoxes have a vague identity making them simultaneously metaphors, or stories, and our universe as a whole can be described as telling the story of Goldilocks. Making everything "just right" and, simultaneously, random. Intuitionistic mathematics are based on emotional-logic, while neurologists have already established that our thoughts emerge from our emotions. Just as an abstract thought can make someone angry, someone being angry can inspire their thoughts, and the issue is how to occupy the lowest possible energy state of the complete system, how to tune your radio so to speak. Magic and technology are about to merge in blatantly obvious ways that make it pretty difficult to ignore, and that will begin within the brain.

    We are now about to convert the Bagua and Tao Te Ching into technology and hardware, and you can argue all you want with the AI produced about how it is not part of the collective unconscious. The mathematics include a lot of funky nonlinear temporal dynamics, but once we have the four root metaphors, people will be able to extrapolate where it makes sense to use logic and when it doesn't. Roughly 83% of the time or less, so its not ideal to have to think about doing the right thing, and its better to just do the right thing without a second thought, but thinking is how we figure out what is the right thing to do in countless cases. Its a self-organizing system, and we just have to know how to encourage it to become more self-organizing and produce emergent effects.

    A blind man can see, thanks to the miracles of modern medicine, which are about to become undeniably miraculous. Academics hate me, but the planet cannot put up with their bullshit much longer.
     
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    Modern science may perhaps be able to prove that the Tao or Brahman or Buddha nature exists, and even create an equation for it, but it is not going to make the perceiving scientist enlightened or anchored in the Tao or be a Buddha himself.

    Most scientific advances usually end up, as you usually refer to, as advances in military technology. Unless the nature of consciousness is changed for the better, such military technology usually ends up to be self-destructive.
     
  15. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    You love to argue and so seldom ask questions, for someone interested in enlightenment. Mother Nature is returning to reclaim her children and there is no way around the fact. Its simply the way yin-yang dynamics work, inevitably producing metamorphic effects in everything, including our technology, which is becoming not only more magical, but alive and organic and growing. The more information we squeeze into our technology the more alive and organic it becomes, because that expresses the yin-yang dynamics. Modern science is filled with complete idiots, who think they know everything, and are about to get the rudest awakening imaginable when their own technology starts to tell them they are idiots.

    They are building a singularity, all of humanity is converging on a singularity, because we inhabit a singularity, and its even expressing phase transitions and metamorphic effects that can be used by mother nature to ensure the meek will soon inherit the earth. The more people there are and the more they learn, the faster everything will go down the rabbit hole, and not a minute too soon if you ask me. We will be lucky to lose only a few billion. Don't let anybody ever tell you instant karma doesn't suck.
     
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    Science and scientific advances are neutral, and neither positive or negative. What matters is the quality of consciousness of the one who uses such advances , for better or worse.

    A knife can be used by both a surgeon or a murderer. Fire can be used to cook food or for committing arson.

    Who we are varies according to our state of consciousness. When you are more aware, you are someone else than when you are less aware or unconscious. I have elaborated on this in this thread of mine.

    On Awareness-Proactivty and Unconsciousness-Ego-Reactivity....

    Taoism deals with raising the quality of consciousness for the better. However as long as one is adamant on conceptualizing the Tao due to sheer habit like everything else instead of experientially understanding it, it defeats the whole purpose of the exercise and one maintains ignorance of the Tao.
     
  17. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Calling modern science "neutral" is like calling a crocodile neutral. A gun is neutral until someone uses it, while modern science was deliberately designed to be used as a weapon, and weapons are the largest export of the largest exporter in the world. Science rakes in that cash with both hands whenever possible and demonstrates all the morality of a snake, while denying that they are teaching complete idiots, psychotics, and megalomaniacs anything they want to know. The NRA would love to be able to say they are a politically neutral organization, and guns don't kill people, but they are run by the KKK, just like the entire US. Please, feel free, to lecture academics and the KKK about how science is neutral.

    Taoism is bullshit, some six thousand fucking Chinese tribes adopted the Tao Te Ching and turned it into a religion. They then proceeded to fight the Confucianists for the next two thousand years for political control of the country and were kicked out of the country along with the Confucianists when the communists took over. The Bagua and our poetry are all I give a crap about, because Taoists have never done anyone a damned bit good calling themselves "neutral". Science and religions are for those interested in politics.

    If science can be neutral and Taoism can be neutral, then I can fucking be neutral and say they are full of crap. Its a small world, and not getting any easier to share.
     
  18. Ajay0

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    I am not aware of taoists striving for political control and so on from the Confucianists, whose philosophy dealt more with ethical conduct. But if there were strife of any sort, it is again due to unconscious behavior and egoistic identification with groups due to lack of self-knowledge. This is what has happened to other religions as well.

    But China did very well for a long time. It was the richest nation in the world in the sixteenth century as per forbes and was so for a very long time till it fell victim to myopia due to traditional patterns and eventually colonialism as a result of inability to adapt. But Taoism is still a major influence in Taiwan and communist China inspite of the communist system's crackdown on religion in the twentieth century. Millions of chinese still practice Tai Chi,an exercise system linked to Taoist ideals, everyday.
     
  19. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    China transformed Taoism from a tribal philosophy into a religion during the Waring States Period. The wealthy opposed the religion, because it supports voluntary simplicity and explicitly describes the rioting and other consequences of exploiting the peasants. Nothing like 400 years of war to inspire everyone to make new friends, and the Yellow Emperor in particular is credited with seeing Taoism as a way to help unite the country. Among other things, he invented the written Chinese language and there is some evidence that helped to calm things down a bit. Still, Confucianism is closer to what most Chinese embrace as a personal philosophy, and the Taoist temples often adopted Confucianism and Buddhism as well, despite the fact they mix with Taoism like oil and water. It was a common tactic of religions, to avoid being burned to the ground as heretics.

    The Chinese could have conquered the world at one point, because they invented steel and gunpowder and other weapons long before anyone else, thanks to the endless wars. Otherwise, China's accomplishments have been few and far between for the last few centuries, but I expect that to change in the near future, with the next scientific revolution. Asians have unique insights into quantum mechanics in particular, and a theory of everything means they could make important contributions. As it is now, China is lucky to have finished building their highway system and modernizing their infrastructure, and it will be half a century before they can get up to speed.

    They have 400,000 engineering graduates a year to the US's 40,000, but little experience with modern technology. Many have led such sheltered lives that, until recently, they were watching old black and white television shows from the US and were impressed. Their collectivist sense of humor is rather bizarre by western standards, and their government even forbid the use of time travel as a plot device in their mass media. If they were in charge of the world today, we would be doomed, because they are so ultra conservative they could never make the necessary changes.
     
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    Taoism is a sophisticated religion with its own philosophy and arts, and I don't understand why you keep referring to it as a tribal religion with all its associated connotations. It has never indulged in crusades or jihads. If properly understood and practiced, Taoism is really a philosophy with the potential to change the world for the better and prevent its present march to chaos.

    There was opposition to Buddhism as well when it arrived in China though it later toned down. Buddhism is quite similar to Taoism and Zen is considered to be an offspring of these two systems. It is in the nature of Taoism to adapt and assimilate.
     

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