Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade, ending constitutional protection for abortion

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    At least in my country, the issue of abortion has always been politically manipulated. Generally those who fight the most about abortion actually care little and nothing. They pursue political objectives through this.
     
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    Yes because of the dinosaurs and bigots in the Catholic Church !!!
     
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    I love how America likes to swing its dick around going into other countries to "help" them. Are we at the point where another country can come in and help us yet? Obviously we don't understand what a democracy is anymore and we need an actual free country to show us how it works.
     
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    And what country would that be? The only ones that come to mind are MATO/EC countries, and they're free because the U.S. has their backs. If Trump or one of his Retrumplican clones like Desantis gets back into the presidency, that could change on a dime. How long would freedom hold out anywhere after that?
     
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    It remains to be seen how far the conservatives on the Court will carry this, but there's good reason to expect the worst. Clarence Thomas's concurring opinion has already brought up the reality that Roe rested on a right of privacy that was first established in Griswold v. Conn. dealing with contraceptives. And the same right of privacy is the foundation for gay rights and same sex marriage. Sixteen states still have anti-sodomy laws on the books, including my own state of Oklahoma, despite their being declared unconstitutional. So we're ready to go! Back in the 70s, a disc jockey in Oklahoma was arrested, convicted and sent to prison for years for the felony of having the wrong kind of sex with his wife! Our new anti-abortion law, proudly proclaimed as the toughest in the nation, protects the rights of the "unborn" upon fertilization (i.e., before implantation when the woman is technically pregnant.). But our teen pregnancy rate is only the second highest in the nation: 38.5 per 1,000 teen women, more than 1.5 times the national average. Maybe the new abortion law will help us become Number One in that, as well. Buckle o' the Bible Belt!

    Some commentators think there's an inconsistency between the two latest Court opinions, on abortion and guns, respectively. Where abortion is concerned, the Court is all for states' rights and where guns are concerned, states rights have gone by the board. But actually, I think the consistent principle is originalism--trying to decide cases the way the conservative justices imagine the Founding Fathers would have decided them. In other words, back to the eighteenth or maybe even the seventeenth century. In Dobbs, Alto cites the authority of Sir Matthew Hale, who was also notorious for executing witches, denying the possibility of intra-marital rape, and accepting spectral evidence in witch trials. In the NY gun case, the Supreme Court turns to history again and says only firearm regulations that are "consistent with this Nation's historical tradition". Would that mean a time when firearms were muskets, the Second Amendment related them to "a well regulated militia', and cities the size and density of N.Y. C. and L.A. were unheard of?

    Chief Justice John Marshall, who made the Supreme Court supreme, and was around at the time of the Framers in the eighteent century, warned : "we must never forget that it is a constitution we are expounding", intended to endure for the ages and therefore to be interpreted flexibly to allow for changing conditions. McCulloch v. MD. He said "A constitution is framed for ages to come, and is designed to approach immortality as nearly as human institutions can approach it." (Cohens v. VA) It's unlikely he'd agree with the recent Court's decisions to go "back to the future." Next they'll be donning powdered wigs. Will the current court revisit other precedents and strike down those that aren't clearly spelled out in the original language and traditions.: the interstate commerce clause, that's been a favorirte target of conservative legal scholar Raul Berger (there go civil rights laws?) Or maybe they'll revisit Marbury v. Madison that gave the Court the power to declare laws unconstitutional. (There goes the recent SCOTUS decsion on guns.)
     
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    I don't know what it will be like in the US. But here and in most underdeveloped countries, even if they try to disguise it a bit, the issue is mainly economic.
    If public hospitals don't have resources even for cotton, it's utopian to require them to take care of abortions(which is nowadays relatively easy to prevent). Quite rightly, those who claim that before abortion they should prioritize those who need chemotherapy instead.But abortion has better propaganda.
     
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    Given that the Catholic church takes a very dim view of contraceptives, abortion was the only other solution. Now that avenue has been severely restricted by the US Supreme Court's decision last week.
     
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    Six of the nine Justices are Catholic (Chief Justice John Roberts and Associate Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Sonia Sotomayor, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett) although Sotomayor was one of the three joint dissenters in Dobbs. Not all Catholics have been anti-abortion, but since it's the official, strong position of their dogmatic church, there is pressure for them to be.
    Of course, the right of privacy over reproductive decisions that the Supreme Court just shot down in Dobbs originated in Griswold v. Conn.a case involving contraceptives. Justice Thomas, in his concurring opinion, indicated a willingness to revisit that issue, along with sodomy and gay marriage. The only related issue he didn't indicate a willingness to revisit was Loving v. Virginia--a case involving interracial marriage. His wife Ginni might be upset with him if he overturned that!
     
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    and it continues.
     
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    Separation of church and state....

    Nah... Fuck that.
     
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    Well, obviously the Catholic Church must follow its principles. Anyway, in the US it is not this church that predominates. Am I right?
    But assuming that the dominant Church there has the same principles, the key is that the judiciary system must be governed by its own principles. Church and government are separate entities (or at least it's supposed to be).
     
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    I disagree with this because I don't believe it will actually lower abortion rates. Women who can't get a legal abortion where they live are just going to travel where they can get one or find a surgeon who would do it surreptitiously.
     

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