Support the troops?

Saddam kept extremist out of Iraq by torturing and killing them, because he felt they were a threat to his regime. Anyone who Saddam believed was a threat (there was many of them!) was subject to the same treatment. Saddam is a man with serious problems with paranoia. Now extremists are there because no one is keeping them out, although I am not condoning Saddam's methods.

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totally 100% true and the reason we need to stay there and kill them over there. instead of over here in our streets and towns.

 

agin true nobody is keeping them out.

and you know why? so we can fight them there with the forces already in place.

 

When did the extremist arrive in Iraq? During the invasion and occupation by America! I have little faith that the troops will be able to remove the extremists, as the troops couldn't stop them from arriving and making Iraq their new home.

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people its been fun but i have neglected my duties for the day and must go but must go and hitch the horse to the wagon and pick the kids up from school then try to get some mining done before dark. but ill be sure to pick up where i left off LOL

 

Have a good day Gringo! I look forward to debate later. If everyone agreed, this forum would be rather boring.

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one last quick comment then im gone.

do you not understand we want the extremist to enter iraq now. so we can fight them there if not we would have satilites scanning the desert for heat at night and fly gunships to the target and take out anythign entering the country. its toatlly clear they want the bad guys to BRING IT ON.

the borders there are not like here. people enter the us and its terretories for a better life , people enter iraq to kill.

 

Also Saddam had his own "in-house" extremist squad. ‘Saddam’s Fidayi’, AKA the Fedayeen Saddam, AKA Saddams "Men of Sacrifice". Was a force of as many as 40,000. Included suicide bombers, death squads, etc....

 

Good God I leave for 12 hours and you guys go to town without me. As usual I'm a day late and a dollar short. DAMN! LOL )

 

There is no simple answer to this problem. That's why simplified thinking, as you have illustrated nicely, does not work with complex problems. That created the Treaty of Versailles, which has been pointed out, did not work.

An alternative? Perhaps help Iraqis create companies that rebuild their country. Fund those companies and provide them with resources. Their economy is in shambles and unemployment is rampant. When Iraqis' quality of life rises, they may be glad that Saddam is gone. Help educate Iraqis, build schools, and focus on more than just oil fields.

Instead, it may appear that the US has taken his place as dictator. Instead of Saddam torturing prisoners, now US troops are, although this is not saying every solider tortures Iraqis. Until their lives get better, more extremists will be created in an atmosphere of chaos and destruction.

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How is that different from Kamakazi pilots in WWII? Saddam's squad was not religous extremists. They were Saddam loyalists with extreme tactics. Remember, Saddam was the number one priority and he had to be obeyed without question.

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Try 4 days.....

 

There have been and currently are massive humanitarian aid and rebuilding projects in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it is very important to secure the oil fields to help fund the rebuilding projects. Iraq is a goldmine of economic potential, if it were just allowed to progress. There is more going on in these countries than one could read about from a Google article. Afghanistan is a huge success in many aspects and its achievements are greatly overlooked. I could go on and on about the "positives", but I am sure that nobody here would want to hear about that. Quick example are irrigation projects that have brought together previously feuding tribes which are now working together in each others communities to help the region as a whole. They are thinking of communities rather than individuals. This is not only a rebuilding success, but a social success.

I never said they were religious, I said they were extremists.

 

I think most people on here are refering to religous extremists. As in, religious extremists were not allowed in Iraq or they were tortured and killed. And by religous extremists, they were refering to Muslim extremists. Every country has extremists; in the US, there are Christian extremists, Muslim extremists, NeoCon extremists, Liberal extremists, etc.

Please enlighten me on the positives besides the irragation systems. I would like to hear about it.

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Just so we are clear, when I said that "the extreme tendencies were already there", I meant that I believe that the extremist tendencies were already there in the individuals. I didn't mean that the extremists were already in Iraq. I'm not sure if that is how you took it or not but the way this discussion is leading, I believe we may be unclear.


As far a "religious extremists", well there were intelligence reports coming out of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in the late 90's saying that training agreements with Iraq were struck and militants were streaming across the border. Of course, this is another endless debate.

About the rebuilding efforts. I would love to talk about the good as well as the bad, however I have a feeling that your questioning isn't for the reason of really wanting to know. I can forsee it leading to a debate about good vs. bad acts being committed in Iraq. I have had this discussion many times and every time they end up in the same place. I apologize for stereotyping, but I really do not want to waste the time for something that will end up in the same old arguement. If you would really like to know, use the internet. Much of that information is available. Otherwise start a thread on the topic. I'm sure many here would contribute information.

 

Sorry I asked...

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Nuh uh Matt I was just on yesterday and I even posted a lot of stuff too, but then I got off to go to bed and it went from page 36 to page 51. They were way busy between yesterday and today.

Now going on to Iraqi: I agree their tendancies are already there. It seems to be something about their culture, I think. I know the Quoran seems to be violent by nature. However, one could say the same of the Bible. I think the real million dollar question would be why it is they are the way they are. If we could figure that out well I don't think we would have "terrorist" anymore.

To Hippie: The troops have done a lot of good things too. They aren't just over there killing people or blowing them up. They are rebuilding buildings, providing healthcare to the sick, doing irrigation as Iraqi said. They are doing a lot. The news doesn't nessicarily report good things. I think the news' job is to report things that deviate from normal and that's why it seems like so many people are dying whether the Iraqis or Americans. Don't take me wrong violence does still happen there. But the whole truth doesn't really come out either.

Anyways, I hope that answers your question some and it doesn't lead to an endless debate about good outweighing bad. I am just trying to take your question at face value and hope it was a sincere question. Well, I am off to bed you guys don't go to town without me again. LOL =))

 

yup you guys went to town in short order would have more to say but hippiechick seems to be a voice along my own thoughts! (thank you)!! would like to offer this though. it has been offerd before but i doubt any one checked it out in earnest! www.tvnewslies.org it has many links to documented statements from the current addmin. that should shed some light !

 

and please do not become that wich you detest!!! peace! may it always be in your heart!!!

 

I'm not going to even bother with you people anymore. You're being far too nasty for civilized converstaion. For shame.

You'll never understand the truth as I and many others see it. And all the name calling in the world isn't going to hurt me or shake my ideals. I at least have that.