Support the troops?

repeat your question; you wrote so much on those past few pages, I'm not even sure what you're asking.

I've actually been paying attention since around 1993 (around the time of Clinton's admin), rather than just a few years back; I saw what happened at Waco, and then I knew the gov't doesn't always play by the rules (so it wouldn't surprise me if the WTC and Pentagon "attacks" were set up).

what were these demands the muslin radicals made?

did it have anything to do with changing our religions, or ways of life...or did it have more to do with removing the presence of the pawns of an empire?


I don't hate the gov't, I hate the status quo; normally, when you're not happy with something, you do something to change it, right? you don't become complacent, and accept it, and you don't let others convince you that it's just fine the way it is. I'm not happy with the decisions this president has made, nor the incompentent/unqualified people he nominated and appointed to office.

and comparing another culture to ours is an excersize in futility, because it's such a relative thing. So what if one of the 300 or so global nations doesn't have the freedoms we do...does that mean I'll sit back and revel in the ones we do have, while new/revised legislation begins to do away with some of them, in the name of "national security"? What will the troops do about that? what can they do?

 

if you were paying attention how did you miss this
http://hipforums.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2346825

 

so they want to keep attacking us until we change our ways?
a lot of those could parallel radical christian fundamentalism (yes, there is such a thing)

so what, am I supposed to buy into the theory that they will attack our country, if we do not change our hypocritical ways?


so you're reasoning is that, if we pull out, they're going to come over here and attack us...
sorry, I'm calling "paranoia" on that one. It's already a losing battle, because of the ill-planned "war", thanks to your commander-in-chief.

If you were really a patriotic american, you'd be questioning the war itself. A lot of your fellow soldiers already are.

 

again i would have to say its not paranoia if they are really out to get you. and it wasnt me saying they are going to come get us iif we dont change our way it was them saying it.

 

i don't know...

the commies were supposed to get us too.
perhaps we should beef up our military (which is what republicans do anyway), and have another "cold war".

i don't buy it...just sounds like more propaganda.
radical muslims aren't a superpower, they're guerrilla-type soldiers; having troops sticking around their turf isn't going to do much good.

 

well we dont need another cold war. cause the republicans already won the last one and thats why the russians never did come we out spent them. and won

 

radical muslims aren't the same type of adversary. they don't have the potential to bomb the shit out of our major cities, inflicting mass deaths.

theoretically, they could somehow infiltrate, and set off bombs in strategic places...so where's our so-called "intelligence" ?

 

seems like you just rather sit and do nothing and let the bad guys come on in. then complaine about it. but if somebody tries to prevent it you make fun of them, jsut because you dont agree.

 

no? 3000 dead in a few min time isnt mass death?

 

3000? where'd you get that figure from? sounds like you may just be brain-washed; we still don't have all the answers, and you just accept the ones they give you.

soviets could've killed millions, you think radical muslims could? We'd certainly strike back, if they actually did invade us. they haven't yet....just a highly questionable assault on three buildings. we need more proof, and gov't hasn't given us any. Bush just repeats the same old tired rhetoric, without any real answers.


as americans, we're supposed to have confidence in our president; based on recent polls, it's evident that we don't, thanks to his poorly planned initiatives.

 

so you would rather call all the people that lost friends and family liars?
you disagree so strongly that you cant accept that when planes loaded with jet fuel crash into large building during the work day that people really died?
you wont accept the truth just cause it does not fit into your theroys of total manipulation.

come on get real.... and if the 3k people killed isnt the correct number maybe more or less who knows forsure right? but what number is an exceptible loss for you?
if they only killed soliders would that be ok with you?

 

see, maybe someone glued to the tv, who is susceptble to media-influenced mass public opinion would be easily swayed by that. They're often driven by emotion.
I've lost family in wars, that's their own fault. War brings death, am I supposed to feel bad for them? They made the decision to join, to fight in questionable wars (Vietnam was VERY questionable, so is this one); it's not the 18th Century anymore, save the patriotic rhetoric. For the families of the people who died in those buildings, yes..I feel a little bad for them; they lost family members in some catastrophe they still have no answers for.

and it works both ways.. prove that Iraq had something to do with 9/11.

are your fellow soldiers still hunting Osama's henchmen? are they in Iraq?

where are the people who're responsible for 9/11, and why aren't they being pursued or tried?

 

3000 justifies the killing of thousands of innocent Iraqis and not to mention the innocents who are going to be disabled for life? If your concern is life, isn't counterproductive to fight blood with blood?

 

I would change my tune, if I felt the admin was being more straightforward with us.

why exactly did they attack us out of nowhere? or did cia actually know about the attack that was to come?


like vietnam, so many questions, so little answers.

 

Vietnam soilders were drafted many didnt choose to go to nam.
the people go about their normal days work on 9/11 were not in the army.

and its only rhetoric for those who do not belive it and cant see that we were attacked.

ill try to keep it simple and ask one question at a time from now on.

 

it's hard to believe it, when verifiable answers are lacking.

am I supposed to believe terrorists just flew a passenger plane into "the world's most secure building"? (the pentagon)
and gov't doesn't like to talk about that incident, they've pretty much shooed investigative reporters away.

 

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Who are "Them", gringo? Honestly, if you could step back and listen to the worn out mantra you are reciting without an ounce of critical refelction, you'd laugh at yourself for the fool you sound as well.

The Iraqis or Afghanis are going to come INVADE the continental US?? Really!
How precisely would two desperately impoverished societies with nary a viable military to be found nor so much as the most basic resources for the vast majorities to even sustain daily life manage to achieve the logisitcal supply line necessary for a transcontinental invasion?

Moreover, where have you heard "Them" saying anything? No doubt you have simply taken what you have been told by mainstream media, which has long demonstrated its avoidance of true investigative journalistic confirmation in favour of "government officials have said...", and have internalised it as "evidence" of the supposed nebulous boogeyman threat we are all to believe has accelrated in the past 5 years beyond all proportion to every decade prior (even many in which our warmongering and support for brutal dictators caused untold suffering throughout the Middle East).

No gringo, "They" have never been PROVEN to have threatened anything against US. certainly not by those repeatedly ASSERTING (e.g. a claim made without concrete evidence to support it) what "They" have said.

What we have had is the a parade of the most dubious and unsourced letters and videos, each timed to coincide perfectly with massive swings in public sentiment against the quite demonstrably militant, secretive, and expansionistic efforts of our own cabal of nutcases right here in our own capitol.

Without bothering to examine closely the ideological roots and ideological aspirations of those currently in power in Washington, you remain utterly disconnected from the most consistent and plausible explanations for all that has occurred from 911 onwards. The only "They" you should be focussing your scrutiny upon are already living large at the heart of our nation and have been for quite some time.

 

they will use magic

 

as for the terror groups they are being persued. and part of the patraiot act you peopel are so against is to help track them and other terror groups down.

wackiiraqi already posted many links early on in this thread showing the links terror group links to iraq but you people just dismissed them .

we cant prove anything to you because you dont want to listen to anything except you own distorted view of the world or how you think it should be.