Support the troops?

support the troops.... when they kill their officers

 

'Just support the troops'. Just do what you're told to do. Just follow orders. This is what fascist dictatorships tell people. And the commanders are responsible for the mistakes? Well, who's commanding the commanders? The Commander-in-Chief, George W. Bush, that's who.

 

i agree mostly only differ with number 3. instead of running for the woods why not help stop the bad guys?

come on people what happend to the land of the free and home of the brave?

any political party with power will eventually swing from left to right and back again. during the civil war the democrates were more of the cristian consertivies and the republicans were the more liberal. and look at it now consertive republicans i think peaked with R.R and is on a downward slide now. i see the republicans trying to take more freedoms away and i dont like it. only problem is the democrates are not offering anything better. so your forced to choose the lesser of two evils.

and untill the republicans start tryign to take away the people firearms like Most democrates do they are going to stay considered consertive.

i agree with alot of what many of the people here say. except the brainwashed soliders and not being proud for service of your country. people seem to think service is related to a countries leaders but its not. its service to your country.

also for the suposed murders and prison torture you people keep reporting. when it is proven it is handled. my mos was 351B any body that wants to know what it was can look it up. but things like that do happen on our side and theirs, only difference is when we catch our guys doing it they get in trouble. over there they are praised.it is not considered a approved act by our command. and those people taking the the fotos in the prison was wrong and illeagle and taken care of. nobody is perfect just as no goverment is perfect.

how many muslim beheadings have you seen committed by american or allied forces?
how many hostages do we or allies take and kill and throw out the bodies on street corners?
how often does the united states say they think an entire country and all its people should be dead just beacause of its religion?

but i think people here are going to get even more rilled up in the near future. whith iran becomming more of a problem. iraq will take a back burnner status much as the afgan ops have.

 

Of course the Republicans are taking more of our freedoms away. At least you've got the brains to be able to see that.
The beheadings and hostage taking-these are acts that are committed by people that don't have a state of the art military like the US has, and it's the way that they inflict damage on the invaders when they don't have the modern military equipment and forces that the invading forces do. I'm not excusing their actions at all-I'm just stating some of the reasons that they occurr.

 

beheading someone is an atrocious act (especially when they are still alive).

 

so your trying to say in those videos they release when they behead a person all those men standing around with Ak47 rifles, rpg's,shoulder mounted surface to air missle launchers and varoius other hight tech advanced weapons. its jsut for show and they dont know how to use them therefore resort to a knife and beheading to kill their enemy?

 

Read my entire post. I didn't say that they didn't have any weapons-they do have some weapons and they're using them. But they don't have a state of the art military like the US does, and they can't hope to win with just the weapons they have. The terrorist acts that they engage in are designed to make up for the fact that they lack the military resources of the US-terrorism inflicts fear, and is designed to weaken the morale of the enemy, something that their limited military resources can't do.

 

it dont matter who is in charge or which country military we are talking about it is a soliders job to follow lawfull orders.

be US germany japan UK france iran iraq and so on.

id just like the people complaining so much about everything here. to try and give a better example. you know one the US should look up to and try to emulate. one where all the people of this diverse nation will agree on and agree 100% with 100% of the time. its never gonna happen cuase no such thing is out there nor will it ever be.

like it or not wars are needed but should always be avoided untill no other choice.
but once in a war fight to win and stay comitted untill finished. period
pulling out to soon in a war is just like pulling out to soon when having sex. if you didnt finish your just gonna have to do it again real soon.

 

part of your post i agree with its a act of terror and is ment to inflect fear. and all exactly my point of supporting the troops and fighting the war to win so we can get out. the people here and other allied nations that say get out now are dampaning the war effort by making the goverments second guess what they do and their tactics.

only way they are going to stop is if they are dead.

 

it isnt like the muslim terror group hate us because we are a capitilist nation or because we have advanced weapons its only because of religion that they hate us.

and as long as we are on this earth they will continue to hate us and any they dont approve of.
and they will continue to commit horible acts of terror in any chance they get untill we are all gone. or so pussy whipped we cave in to them.

 

Heres some real news for you... I will post more as they come.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_654.shtml
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12550.htm
http://www.itv.com/news/index_1460729.html
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm

 

well earth mother after checking out your links there its easy to tell that you want more americans to die.

have you really any clue to how complex the situation with the war on terror really is?

http://www.ucgstp.org/bureau/wnp/wnp0044/binladen.html
http://www.mideastweb.org/osamabinladen1.htm
and others but i think you will feel the same about the links i give as i think twards yours. biasis propaganda.

and if the goverment did what most here think is correct we would be playing right into their hands.
sofar they are getting exactly what they wanted.and its a shame so many americans cant see it. their minds are so clouded with hate for bush or republicans or the US in general they just wont except they are the true pawns.

"Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them victory" [Quran 22:39]

"Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" [Quran 22:39]

"Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76]

"Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76]

the Islamic fundamentalists have already given the US a list of grievences and wont stop attacking untill we comply.
Here are some of the charges they make against America:

"You...choose to invent your own laws as you will and desire (instead of the law of Islam, Sharia). You separate religion from your policies, contradicting the pure nature which affirms Absolute Authority to the Lord and your Creator...

"You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of intoxicants. You also permit drugs, and only forbid the trade of them, even though your nation is the largest consumer of them...

"You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom...Who can forget your President Clinton's immoral acts committed in the Oval Office? After that you did not even bring him to account, other than that 'he made a mistake,' after which everything passed with no punishment. Is there a worse kind of event for which your name will go down in history and be remembered by nations?

"You are a nation that permits gambling in all forms...

"You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products...You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

"You are a nation that practices the trade of sex in all its forms, directly and indirectly...

"Your law is the law of the rich and wealthy people, who hold sway in their political parties, and fund their election campaigns with their gifts."

Is that a minority opinion among Muslims? "If you go around the Muslim world, you will find the vast majority of people will support Osama bin Laden," said the Saudi ambassador to London in an interview given to the British Spectator magazine (Sept. 7, 2002). Ghazi Algosaibi said of Britain: "Has it not occurred to you that what goes on in this country is abhorrent to Muslims?" The same could be said of the United States as bin Laden's letter makes clear.

Interestingly though most of the above criticisms of America could not have been made 50 years ago, before the secular, liberal reforms of the 1960s and '70s. before that time period, the laws of the United States of America were based on the Ten Commandments, the law of God given to the Israelites through Moses. At that time, America was highly respected in the world and was looked to as a nation of hope in a world of darkness.

"Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people" (Proverbs 14:34).

so you want to cave into them ,why? so when you speak out against them they cut cut off your tounge?

hell i read the letter bin laden sent to us and even alot of what he says i agree with. its just how you look at things.

anyways i just cant see why you people want more americans to die.
complaining and pulling out will only encurage more attacks and get more peopel killed.
why cant you see that????

 

I am pretty sure the only time they are shooting people like "innocent" women and children is when they are running towards them in a threatening manner. As I stated before, there are no rules for their side. They use any and everybody to attack the troops. They even use their newborn babies. Yes, this is true so you tell me what would you have them do? Take the chance that this particular woman or child is only running towards them to just to say hello?

As far as the killing of dogs thing, I haven't seen or heard that. However, I highly doubt they were just doing it for fun. However, just as I have said so many times before, there are bad apples in every part of society not just in the military. Dogs run rampad over there most of which have never had any type of vaccine or even seen a vet. They eat dog meat over there. If you saw the troops killing a dog it was probably because the dog was rabid. The only things to be totured over there are captured POW's. They actually deport them out of the country first.

Isn't it funny how people who have absolutely no survial training can claim to survive an armed invasion and actually evade a trained force who does have survial training, evasion tactics, hand to hand combat, and knife combat training along with weapons training?

This country, as every country, absolutely does need armed forces. As I stated before, the troops didn't make this call. It isn't them doing evil. It's their leaders i.e. Bush. He is the one who started all of this and for no apparent reason. It would seem to me that he would be a bully. As I also stated, if we did not have armed forces, a lot of people would be out of jobs. It would cost tax payers a lot more money to pay them unemployment benefits, welfare, food stamps, etc. than to pay a set portion of your tax dollars to the government for their paycheck. The military is not evil it's the people in power who cause it to be evil. It's the same with everything. Take for instance, radical Muslims, Christians, Satanist, etc. Every religon has them it's how people interpret and use their power and beliefs.

The primary use of the military is simply to keep the homeland secure. I think that is pretty difficult when they are all overseas. Instead of using them there, why not keep them here and focus on keeping terrorist out? Our airport security isn't any better. Sure they have facial structure regonition programs now, but they surely don't have a watch list for all terrorist. They don't even know who all the terrorist are. There are so many new ones training everyday. We should be focusing on ways to keep them out instead of deploying our troops abroad.

 

I agree Gringo. They will never let up until we are all dead or cave in. They hate anybody not like them. They use everybody their "innocent" women and children to kill our people. They treat women as second class citizen. Hell, their dogs get more respect than their women do. How do you fight a war when you can't see the enemy? They sit, and lie in wait for our troops to come by and then from a distance blow them up. They capture our American Red Cross workers and behead them, the same as with our reporters. These types of people are undoubtedly EVIL. Again, why I say we should focus on keeping them out. These are the same people who would line women up in stadiums to kill them just for teaching girls how to read and write. You can't convince these people of anything except that we (anybody who does not believe like them) are evil. So, Please tell me again why we shouldn't support our troops and have an armed force?

 

well heavy i agree with most of what you say.
except this part

"""""The primary use of the military is simply to keep the homeland secure. I think that is pretty difficult when they are all overseas. Instead of using them there, why not keep them here and focus on keeping terrorist out? """"""

defend america and its intrests. and like i said before since the war started they have kept the them out of the us.
when was the last plane flown into a building?

keeping them busy over there on their streets has kept them off our streets.
but i doubt it will much longer i just get a feelign sympathizers will do something stupid soon over here. and that will just really put this country in a pickle.

 

Yea, I am curious as to see what is going to happen with Iran. I am pretty sure something big is going to go down. As far as the whole plane being flown into a building thing, the first time they bombed the WTC was in 1993. It took them eight more years to attack us again. It seems to run in sequences. What I mean is, every X amount of years they attack our country and we they aren't busy attacking us they attack other countries. I think it takes them a certain amount of years to save the money and train for the attacks. I also think they do it in this fashion so that America will hopefully (in their minds) be caught off guard.

I have said all along I don't think all the troops should be removed. We agree on that part. However, I do think they should do a pretty major exit and keep the troops on a mass ready deployment status. Keep the bare mininum of troops needed to keep order. Take for instance, how many troops do they need to run convoy security? Most convoys consist of between 30 to 100 vehicles. I'm sure you know this though. They are mostly running supplies to other bases. Well, if they didn't have as many bases with as many troops on them they could greatly reduce the amount of troops being killed by roadside bombs. True? I just don't think it takes 130,000+ troops to keep order. Most of the places in Iraq have settled down with the exception of Baghdad, Fallujah, Mosul, and one other place I can't spell so won't attempt. I think they should be focusing on the borders. Isn't how they are getting in anyways? Most of the terrorist are supposed to be coming from Iran and Syria. (those are the main ones I have heard and read about) I just think if they were to pick up the slack at the borders they wouldn't have as much to worry about in the hotspots. I know they would have some, but just not as much.

 

please define "they" and "those pepole" or these types of pepole and please let me know wich war your talking about? the war on terror? or the war in iraq? you say they lie in wait and from a distance blow them up geuss what we blow them up from a distance to!

 

Radical Muslims, Terrorist.

Yes it's true we do use bombs on them flmkpr. I can't and won't deny that. It's sad truth of war. However, they consistantly blow our troops up more than we drop bombs on them. It comes down to picking the lesser of two evils. I just can not condone people like that. People who kill women for teaching girls to read and write, people who behead anybody who doesn't believe like them that they can get their hands on. People who use women and children as IED's. I just can't do it. Is it bad and wrong that sometimes innocent women and children die YES. But I have to go with the lesser of two evils.

I actually refer to both Afganistan and Iraq. It's the same type of people. People who take Islam literally and interpret it into violence. Not all muslims are bad, but those kinds are. Those are the ones that are on Jihad (holy war). You may not agree with gringo, but his post with the letter from Osama and quotes from the Quoran are very accurate. When I refer to those types of people, those are the ones I would be referring to. You can't deny those types of people are evil and you surely believe that those types of people would love nothing more than to kill us? When I talk about supporting the troops I refer to them taking on people like that. I mean honestly do you want those types of people here in America? I don't. Maybe it's predijuce, maybe it's fear, I dunno but I know one thing I don't want radical extremist like that here. Gringo could be right in the statement that they aren't over here because the troops are keeping them busy in Iraq. I don't know.... I just know I don't want them here. Call me whatever for feeling that way, but that's how I feel.

 

"""I think they should be focusing on the borders. Isn't how they are getting in anyways? Most of the terrorist are supposed to be coming from Iran and Syria. (those are the main ones I have heard and read about) I just think if they were to pick up the slack at the borders they wouldn't have as much to worry about in the hotspots. I know they would have some, but just not as much""""

well all the radicals flooding into iraq is part of my reasoning for the war in iraq rather than one of the other countries there. its more central and allows many more bad guys to enter. i just think of iraq and the rat trap. our troops are the bait, and our weapons is the metal bar that comes crashing down to break their backs.

so long as they are on their holy war against the us and allies they are going to go to the easy targets, the soliders over there. i mean with borders like this Iran 1,458 km, Jordan 181 km, Kuwait 240 km, Saudi Arabia 814 km, Syria 605 km, Turkey 352 km its a central point for all the whackos over there. what better spot to take them on?

 

Anyone done any research on the conservatives in the 1950's? There were milita men in MISSOURI, armed with automatics and grenade launchers, waiting for a communist invasion! I feel that the conservatives have never changed their strategy, just replaced Communist with terrorist. Remember the old slogans, Better dead than red? I think this is history repeating itself.

Personally, I don't want anyone to die, American or Arabic. We are all people. Maybe those "terrorists" are freedom fighters in their eyes and see what they do as justifiable. American colonists used similar strategies of guerilla warfare against the British, because the British were a much better military force. The British at that time viewed them as "terrorists" but do we as Americans see them in that light? Perhaps we as independent thinkers should not rely so much on media as the media often puts a spin on news (check out fox news) and more on our own judgement.

I do not feel that violence will solve any problems, just ignite more violence. This occupation of Iraq might be furthering the cause and spread of Radical Islam. Sorry I haven't written more, I will try to expand these thoughts once my hands stop shaking so bad.

peace and love