stupid muslims

I doubt that's what it is...

Well, when you phrase it like that I doubt that's what it is.
hehe

 

Put it how you like - that is the aim of Islamic Fundamentalists.

 

Why is this of any more concern than all the other kooks in the world?
When did people suddenly decide that they should start fearing an entire
religious system completely irrationally?
Was there some kind of meeting?

...Why does it matter?
Especially to someone I took to be a good Hindu man.
Why is the word 'Islam' suddenly impolite?

Don't take it literally this time, hehe.
Hey, grouve on dude

 

I have nothing at all against Islam - I've tried to make that clear. It's fundamentalism to which I am opposed, no matter what religion it comes from.
However, I wonder if those who are militant Islamists are actually true Muslims anyway.

 

However, I wonder if those who are militant Islamists are actually true Muslims anyway


why do you wonder this?

 

That could kind of be taken two ways...

You think they might be aliens or government agents or something?
hehehe <(^_^<)

 

Because the very name Islam means "The way of peace".

 

Jerusalem means "Teaching of Peace". Have you learned not to fight for possession yet?

 

Ive had this discussion before islam doesnt mean way of peace a closer meaning would be submission.
Im not going to get into that because even if its called the "religion of the care bears and rainbows " or "religion the pacifists " it just a name .

you would need to look at the teachings of the religion its history especially its early history and the actions of its founder .

my reading of it is that islam is a extreamly violent religion and very unpeaceful.

mohammed unlike jesus or buddha was a military leader , there is no turn the other cheek in islam instead you have the concept of offensive war to spread the religion.

 

Actually, so was Ramachandra - he was a prince and how about the battle of mahabharat? - thats the battle advocated by krishna. These things should be taken in their context, to do that you need to get out of your box.

 

...I really like that interpretation, hehehe
and not just because I'm Muslim- it has personality.

 

Actually, it comes from the same root as 'salaam,' so Bhaskie's right.
Moving on, though...

 

hmmm kataba is to write, kitāb is a book, maktaba is a library and then you get a katība is a squadron of soldiers ,katība as the same k-t-b root as the other words but as quite a different meaning

salām means peace and salāma means safety, but the same root also has many other words with unrelated meanings, salam a variety of acacia, sullam ladder, aslama to betray … and islām submission.

There is no connection in meaning between salām and islām, peace and submission, Ive seen very detailed discussions on this subject between native arabic speakers on faithfreedom.org

I suppose he may be right in a way in "islam is the way of peace" in that to submit and become a muslim may get you some peace from the perpetual war that mohammed launched against non muslims but its peace at a price.

but then you would need to pick the right branch of islam because muslims have such a great habit of killing each other

 

"Actually, so was Ramachandra - he was a prince and how about the battle of mahabharat? - thats the battle advocated by krishna. These things should be taken in their context, to do that you need to get out of your box."


what context should I take mohammeds commands in they seem to be open ended and gradually he became more and more aggressive , the medina sura are the ones that are in force today http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/abulkazem/face_of_islam.htm

 

Actually, I think 'Peace' and 'Submission' ARE pretty closely related words...

 

if I kill and enslave a lot of people you may submit but its because I have a sword at your throat.

that not my idea of peace

 

what context will you take the battle of mahabharata? do you know anything about it? , heh, the 'right context' is what we need to figure out for ourselves and the measure of what is right or what is wrong is dictated by whether it increases hate in your heart , or love.

 

I thought we were talking about linguistics here~
what connotations words have in the public mind
are a different matter entirely...

 

Unless that is the only way to achieve peace- to be given the choice: peace or....

 

Well BBB to be fair you do not have an understanding of ground realites here in India

So you probably cannot understand the reasons why sri aurobindo makes these comments


The jews only have an auschowitz but we hindus have an entire moutain range as a memorial for the Hindu genocide....

The " hindu kush" mountains in afghanistan literally translated means
the blood of hindus

I believe the Mohamadans slaughtered thousands of Idolators on these moutain peaks ,so many were slaughtered that the whole moutain turned red hence the name Hindu Kush

Francis Gautier a follower of Sri A has this to say

http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/apr/30franc.htm


Not to forget that Hindu women are kidnapped on a daily basis and converted

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3039486.stm

Things are reaching such a point here in India that hindus are afraid to study in areas where muslims live and are shifting colleges out of muslim areas

These are just some of the minute issues and I have hardly touched upon the major part of the conflict

BBB the writing's on the wall Sri A saw it and I do too
too bad you can't see it.......