Study: More Than Half a Trillion Dollars Spent on Welfare But Poverty Levels Unaffect

As long as big corpo is writing the regulatory laws there will be war on poverty.

 

The republicans have destroyed welfare for the most part. A single mother of two children must now get a job within six months. So instead of raising her kids, the mother is working a job that doesn't even pay the bills, thus remains in poverty. The children are left without parental guidance, and many become delinquent, and then end up in prison. One out of every four black men are in prison. So instead of the tax payer paying $15,000.00 a year to keep a single mother and two kids on welfare, the tax payer ends up paying $40,000.00 per child to keep them in prison. That's $80,000.00 instead of $15,000.00. There are over three million Americans in prison. That's more than any other country in the world, including China with a population of over a billion people. The U.S. only has 300 million people.

The republicans are trying to destroy the food stamps program also. They have a bill in congress right now to do just that. If it passes, it will take the food from all children in poverty. This bill also ends farm subsidies for American food growers. That's going to make the price of food go way up.

If the republicans win in November they will be destroying Social Security and Medicare, which will make prisons the new retirement homes for the elderly. Because in prison health care is free, so all the old people will need to go to prison because they won't be able to afford their doctor bills without Medicare.

 

^ my uncles ex has been getting food stamps, welfare, and government housing since her kids were born more than ten years ago. And my Uncle supports the kids financially. So no, you are wrong.

 

You should know the facts before you say someone is wrong, so you don't look stupid.

Charities have spoken of their fury over changes to the welfare system which from tomorrow will force unemployed single parents with children about to start school to find a job or risk losing part or all of their benefits.
These 124,000 single parents with children aged five and six were given only eight weeks notice of the fact that they would have to move from income support to jobseeker's allowance (JSA). Previously, lone parents of older children have been given up to 12 months notice, giving them a greater chance of planning ahead and improving their skills and qualifications.
According to research to be published by the charity Gingerbread on Monday, single parents moving to JSA now also face a much harsher time finding "a family-friendly job in a hostile labour market characterised by low economic growth and high unemployment".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/may/20/lone-parents-benefit-cuts?CMP=twt_gu
House Farm Bill Proposes Major Cuts To Food Stamps, Farm Subsidies

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/05/house-farm-bill_n_1652593.html

 

Same ... super bump

 

I am not too sure of that...

 

Here is the full list of programmes and it seems to me that not all of them are aimed to help those in ‘poverty’ a lot of it is mean to help struggling working families.

Name

Cost $ millions ​

Number of Participants ​

Medicaid37
228,000.0
48,900,000
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)38
75,000.0
44,200,000
Earned Income Tax Credit (Refundable Portion)39
55,000.0
27,000,000 (households)
Supplemental Security Income40
43,700.0
8,100,000
Federal Pell Grants41
41,000.0
9,614,000
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families42
21,000.0
4,492,000 (monthly average)
Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers43
18,100.0
2,000,000 (households)
Very Low to Moderate Income Housing Loans- Sec. 50244
16,700.0
131,370 (units)
Title 1 Grants to Local Education Agencies45
14,100.0
N/A (formula grants)
Children’s Health Insurance Program46
13,459.0
7,705,723
National School Lunch Program47
10,900.0
31,000,000
Adjustable Rate Mortgages48
10,600.0
43,687 (units)

Name

Cost $ millions ​

Number of Participants ​

Maternal, Infant, and Early Childhood Home Visiting Program49
7,500.0
N/A (formula grants)
Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)50
7,170.0
9,180,000
Head Start51
7,100.0
904,000
Child Care and Development Block Grant52
5,000.0
N/A (formula grant)
Low Income Home Energy Assistance53
4,700.0
N/A (formula grants)
Foster Care Title IV54
3,976.0
N/A (formula grants)
Public and Indian Housing55
3,900.0
1,100,000 (units)
State Administrative Matching Grants for SNAP56
3,403.0
N/A (formula grants)
Child Care and Development Mandatory and Matching Funds57
2,917.0
N/A (formula grants)
School Breakfast Program58
2,900.0
11,600,000
Adoption Assistance59
2,480.0
N/A (formula grants)
Public Housing Capital Fund60
2,307.0
N/A (project grants)
Social Services Block Grant Title XX61
1,700.0
N/A (formula grants)
Home Investment Partnership Program62
1,610.0
92,228 units (estimate)
Universal Service Fund63
1,320.0
8,442,355
Impact Aid64
1,267.0
N/A (formula grants)
Supportive Housing Program65
1,181.0
N/A (project grants)
Academic Competitive Grants (SMART) Grants66
980.5
713,000
Federal Work Study Program67
978.8
711,588
Rural Rental Assistance Payments68
953.7
Not available
Work Investment Act (WIA) Youth Activities69
825.9
279,093
WIA Adult Program70
770.8
5,800,000
Supplemental Education Opportunity Grants71
735.9
1,301,163
Indian Housing Block Grants72
754.9
N/A (formula grants)
Community Services Block Grant73
668.1
N/A (formula grants)
Special Programs for the Aging, Title III, Part C, Nutrition Services74
648.8
N/A (formula grants)
Name
Cost $ millions
Number of Participants
Adult Education Grants to States75
596.1
N/A (formula grants)
Supportive Housing for the Elderly76
580
Not available
Maternal and Child Health Services Block Grants to the States77
552.6
N/A (formula grants)
Race to the Top Early Learning Challenge78
500.0
N/A (project/discretionary
grants)
Shelter Plus Care79
463.6
N/A (project grants)
Legal Services Corporation80
404.2
905,406 cases closed
Migrant Education State Grant Program81
394.7
445,707
Promoting Safe and Stable Families82
376.2
N/A (program grants)
Summer Food Service Program for Children83
371.3
2,341,000 (peak month)
Special Programs for the Aging, Title III, Part B, Grants for Supportive Services84
361.4
N/A (formula grants)
TRIO Upward Bound85
305.4
64,262
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) Supplemental Grants86
319.0
N/A (formula grants)
Gaining Early Awareness and Readiness for Undergraduate Programs87
302.8
748,000
TRIO Student Support Services88
290.5
202,921
Stephanie Tubbs Jones Child Welfare Program89
281.0
N/A (formula grants)
Weatherization Assistance for Low Income Persons90
250.0
N/A (formula grants)
Emergency Food Assistance Program (Commodities)91
247.5
N/A (formula grants)
Emergency Food and Shelter Program92
225.0
N/A (program grants)
Federal Aid to State Administrative Expenses for Child Nutrition93
206.9
N/A (formula grants)
Lower Income Housing Assistance Program, Section 8, Moderate Rehabilitation94
202.6
Not available
Commodity Supplemental Food Program95
175.7
518,000
Community Development Block Grant, Section 108 Loan Guarantees96
165.8
N/A (formula grants)
College Access Challenge Grant Program97
150.0
N/A (formula grants)
Name
Cost $ millions
Number of Participants
Investing in Innovation Fund (I3)98
148.1
N/A (program grants)
TRIO Talent Search99
138.7
319,678
Youthbuild100
120.0
N/A (project grants)
Demolition and Revitalization of Severely Distressed Public Housing101
99.8
N/A (project grants)
WIC Grants to States102
99.5
N/A (project grants)
Healthy Start Initiative103
98.1
N/A (project grants)
Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations104
97.0
84,609
U.S. Refugee Admissions Program105
90.0
80,000
Appalachian Area Development106
72.0
N/A (project grants)
Education for Homeless Children and Youth107
63.7
N/A (formula grants)
Indian Social Services Welfare Assistance108
63.1
Not available
Projects for Assistance in the Transition from Homelessness109
62.0
91,950
Farm Labor Housing Loans and Grants110
61.6
Not available
Indian Community Development Block Grant Program111
57.9
N/A
Indian and Native American Training Grant Program112
54.2
Not Available
Very Low Income Housing Repair Loans and Grants113
53.7
4,150,000 (units)
Prevention and Intervention Programs for Children and Youths Who Are Neglected, Delinquent, or at Risk114
50.3
N/A (formula grants)
Section 4 Capacity Building for Community Development and Affordable Housing115
49.4
N/A (project grants)
High School Graduation Initiative116
48.9
N/A (project grants)
TRIO Educational Opportunity Centers117
46.8
205,611
WIA Pilots, Demonstrations and Research Projects118
46.5
N/A (project grants)
TRIO McNair Post-Baccalaureate Achievement119
46.1
5,419
Indian Health Services (Urban )120
43.1
N/A (project grants)
Adoption Incentive Payments121
39.5
N/A (formula grants)
Transitional Living for Homeless Youth122
39.3
N/A (project grants)
Rural Self Help Housing Technical Assistance123
36.9
N/A (project grants)
Graduate Assistance in Areas of National Need124
30.9
N/A (program grants)
Section 538 Rural Rental Housing Guaranteed Housing125
30.9
Not available
Self-Help Ownership Opportunity Program126
26.7
N/A (project grants)
Assets for Independence Demonstration Program127
24.0
N/A (project grants)
Services to Indian Children, Elderly and Families128
22.6
Not available
Special Programs for the Aging Title III Part D Disease Prevention and Health Promotion Services129
20.9
N/A (formula grants)
Senior Farmers Market Nutrition Program130
20.6
844,999
Migrant Education- High School Equivalency131
19.9
7,000
WIC Farmers Market Nutrition Program132
19.9
2,150,000
Outreach and Assistance for Socially Disadvantaged Farmers and Ranchers133
19.0
N/A (program grants)
Rural Rental Housing Loans134
18.0
Not available
Migrant Education, College Assistance Migrant Program135
16.5
2,400
Child Care Access Means Parents in School136
16.0
N/A (program grants)
Rural Development Multi-Family Housing Revitalization Development Program137
14.9
N/A (program grants)
Rent Supplements: Rental Housing for Lower Income Families138
12.4
Not available
Indian Child Welfare Act Title II Grants139
11.0
N/A (project grants)
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program Outreach and Participation140
11.0
N/A (project grants)
Special Milk Program for Children141
10.6
Not available
Rural Housing Site Loans and Self- Help Housing Land Development Loans142
10.0
Not available
Name
Cost $ millions
Number of Participants
Low Income Taxpayer Clinics143
9.9
N/A (formula grants)
Rural Housing Preservation Grants144
9.8
N/A (project grants)
Drug Free Communities Support Program Grants145
9.35
N/A (project grants)
Cuban and Haitian Entrant Program146
7.9
3,000
Community Development Block Grants Special Purpose/Insular Area147
6.9
N/A (project grants)
Emergency Capital Repair Grants for Multifamily Housing Projects Designated for Occupancy148
4.9
1,809 housing units
Community Food Projects149
4.8
N/A (project grants)
Community Outreach and Assistance Partnership Training150
4.4
N/A (project grants)
TRIO Staff Training Program151
3.5
N/A (project grants)
Migrant Education-Coordination Program152
3.0
N/A (project grants)
Consolidated Health Centers153
2.2
N/A (project grants)
Title V Delinquency Prevention Program154
2.0
N/A (formula grants)
Job Opportunities for Low Income Individuals155
1.6
N/A (project grants)
Healthy Urban Food Enterprise Development Center156
0.9
N/A (program grants)
Undergraduate Scholarship Program for Individuals from Disadvantaged Backgrounds157
0.04
N/A (project grants)
Emergency Food Assistance Program (Food Commodities)158
0.01
N/A (program costs)

 

LOL – ok this is just hot air and spin - CNS news is owned by Media Research Center whose sponsored by very right wing groups like the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Sarah Scaife Foundation and the John M. Olin Foundation.

The report (as someone also pointed out) is compiled by the extremely right wing libertarian group the Cato Institute.

I think it hilarious that anyone would look at this and think it even slightly objective? Are some on the right so far gone that they take a piece of obvious propaganda as some kind of ‘truth’?

If you go to the actual report you quickly notice that virtually all the calculation that the author uses are ‘Author’s Calculations’ in other words the author has looked at the figure then decided what they are.

I mean he seems to includes Medicaid in his calculations which is usually separated from the Social Security/Welfare budget so that would knocked off 228 from his headline 668 for a start.

 

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/13/news/economy/poverty_rate_income/index.htm

 

Again I post this from the Eight Great Myths About Welfare site

MYTH: Poverty and homelessness have grown in spite of the trillions of dollars spent since 1965 to help the poor; therefore, these programs have failed.
FACT: These programs have succeeded and are succeeding in getting people out of poverty and homelessness. As Michael Harrington reported in The Other America (originally printed 1962, most recently printed http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/068482678X/realchangehomele/"]1997) not everyone was living like Ward and June Cleaver in the 1950's. Poverty hovered around 20 percent. In 1964, Johnson declared "war on poverty" with his "Great Society" program. The increased welfare payments reduced poverty to 12 percent by the end of the 60s.
As Nancy Amidei said in a speech at the Family Reunion conference in Tennessee, 1992: "Joan Growe, the Secretary of State of Minnesota is a former welfare mom. Judge Sedgewick, an appeals court judge, is a former welfare mom. Two members of the Montana legislature, two members of the Wisconsin legislature, a couple members of the Pennsylvania legislature. (Probably members of the Tennessee legislature are all former welfare moms.) Whoopi Goldberg is a former welfare mom. Carol Burnett is a former welfare kid. Bishop Weakland in Milwaukee is a former welfare kid. Six members of Congress (that I have been able to identify) are former welfare kids. I have run into former welfare kids and former welfare moms who are now PhDs and County Executives, nurses, career Army officials, police, Head Start aides. They are all over the place; they are terrific people and they are welfare success stories."
More people, new people, become poor and homeless daily, therefore the numbers grow. The increase in poverty and homelessness is due to grave problems in our economy, like the income of the lower 20 percent of the economy falling during the "economic boom", 6 out of 10 of the "new jobs" being under $10 an hour -- a wage at which no one can afford a market rate apartment -- racism (the median income of a Hispanic family is $3000 a YEAR), sexism, and a widening income gap. It is not due to welfare programs failing.
http://www.anitra.net/homelessness/columns/anitra/eightmyths.html

 

A government program that has failed despite the pouring in of billions of taxpayer dollars.

Shock, surprise, dismay.

And this is the same government that people think are going to fix the "health care crisis"?

Fucking idiots.

:banghead:

 

Texas

Ok I’m all in favour of reform of governance to improve it, so in the context of this thread what would you do about it?

 

May

I wouldn’t call you a bitch just misguided and misinformed what you are promoting is the very old self serving con game of the deserving and undeserving poor. The deserving being those that don’t ask for help and so don’t need any. And the undeserving being those who do ask for help thereby showing that they are scroungers and wasters who don’t deserve any help.

So it was plain - the argument went – that there was no need to give assistance to the disadvantaged.

The problem was that these people were often the same people but just at different stages of life or circumstance.

This is very similar to the right wing argument often put forward today that if people are responsible and make “better decisions” they don’t need assistance but if they’re irresponsible and make “poor decisions” (like having children for instance) they don’t deserve assistance.

This deserving and undeserving argument can often lead to Social Darwinist tendencies that the undeserving are inferiors that shouldn’t be allowed to breed.

The problem is that these people are often the same people but just at different stages of life or circumstance.

The thing is that the neoliberal ideas that many right wingers support are not about seeking full employment as the Keynesian based models are, it is about having unemployment because that is one of the means of driving down wage prices. It is the same reason why neoliberals oppose social programmes because their removal would also increase the possibility for exploitation, as in work or starve.

 

Another thread derailed -- welcome to the Balbus show.

 

56

LOL – oh yep isn’t it just rotten when opponents of your ideas turn up and ruin your right wing love in.

I’ve put up my disagreements now can you address them?

 

What's "rotten" is your snotty, condescending presentation of your usual circular argument -- one based on little or nothing more than what you may have read and find to conveneintly support your own socialist ideology.

To what end? Your "disagreements" only support the continuation and/or expansion of programs and practices that have, after many years of implementation, very effectively demonstated their own failure.

 

The only thing I had wrong is that I thought we were all talking about the USA welfare system. Everyone else was, and you didn't specify that you were talking about a completely different country. You might be understood better if people know what you're talking about.

Edit: upon Rereading I see that you gave stats on Americans while talking about another countries welfare (without mentioning that).

Stoopid is what Stoopid does.

 

Balbus,

You called out the OP for using a biased right wing source.......and then you used a personal web page of a self proclaimed left wing radical as your own source. Am I the only one that sees the hypocrisy in that???

 

56

LOL – why is it when right wingers haven’t got any rational answers they start shouting socialism?

Maybe they’re actually hoping nobody will notice they haven’t actually given rational answer.

Yes I’ve read a lot, listened a lot, watched a lot, lived a lot and experience a lot - how else can you learn? The arguments I present are a product of my learning experience are you saying your ideas are a product of something else?

 

Letlovin

Ok I quoted the Cato Report itself, an economics reporter for CNN the myths one. So I used three sources in my replies.

Ok so far we have had attacks on me for supposedly being a snooty socialist and a hypocrite but no rational counter arguments.