Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

I'm going to do my best, I have a lot of scripture to go through. But my challenge is to show you an error in the Hebrew translation of the word yom into day. A lot of info on that.

All this despite there not being any scientific evidence for an old universe any how, mind you. Keep that in mind. LOL

Thanks water brother for letting me off the hook on that mistake!!!!

 

Sister thedope, can you put in simple English terms what you mean by, "This is not a functional lingusistic interger. "
As for your second sentance, I agree.

 

@OlderWaterBrother

Here is a piece of scripture that is helpful about my case against the old universe. But firstly I want to remind you that God intended his word to be preserved for all generations, and he said he would do that. He intended the bible to be understood by the common man, in so that they could know God and what he wants.

A common reader will never deduce from scripture that the Earth is Billions of years old. They will see in Genesis one that God created everything in six literal days...that is exactly what it says.

Gurus and scholars are saying God created the universe/earth billions of years ago. be VERY weary of them. They are the reason many believe this. Maybe you too. These scholars are using gross miss interpretations and religious science to deduce this...

I Timothy 6:20-21

O timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain bablings, and oppositions of science falsely so called: Which some professing have erred concerning the faith

 

Jesus spoke in a way that his listeners would understand.

If he come on about nucleoids and microscopic spores and subatomic particles he'd have gained no followers. Jesus is the incarnation of the very Creator who laid the foundations of the Universe and its natural laws. Unlimited by language, spiritual knowledge, and glory.

Okay, you shoot down any mention of science by saying there is no proof, lets approach this on something you obviously do understand a little bit: theology.

Young Earth Creation is simply bad theology. It assumes literal what is clearly not meant to be taken literal, and then fudges with facts and figures when they do not fit reality.

Where did the flood waters come from? YECs say things about moisture layers etc . This is not in Scripture. It says that water is beyond the "Earth" or known universe. and that this is where a lot of the Flood waters came.


Genesis 1 and 2 cannot be reconciled chronologically. Genesis 2 had man before plants, rain, and basically anything else.

The idea that death in the world means the world is "not good" goes directly against the book of Job in which via the character of Job we are basically told to mind our own business when it comes to declaring to know the will and desires of God. Creation "Science" seems to involve more speculation than exegesis or science.

 

Translate science back to knowledge, and you'll understand better methinks.

 

Matthew 19:4
And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female

Mark 10:6
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female

How could you not take this literal ? He is saying from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female...that is what he is saying is he not, and if he is not, what is he saying ?

Young Earth Creation is simply bad theology ? Why. Let's be honest here, it's because it goes against your indoctrinated world view, yes ? There is more evidence for young earth than for old.Truth. Old earth is a fairy tale.

Give me some evidence for a old universe, please. There is no proof or such to state with confidence at all that the age is old. There is more evidence to support just what God said. He created the world in 6 24 hour days.

Genesis 7:11-12

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights


The water for the flood came from the under ground. This created the fault lines, the mountains and all the activity seen and observed today. In fact there are many theories that are just as scientific as the fallacy of the big bang, and with real observable science. I suggest you look and not assume you are right, go look.

You are simply wrong. Your bible teachings are false. Are you Catholic ? I bet you are. Not to say you don't love the Lord but to say they teach bad dogma.

Give me the verse in Job and chapter !

See you let these scholars professing to be wise tell you how to interpret God's word. He warned us about them. According to your logic, these scholars you listen should be held to the same standard:"the character of Job we are basically told to mind our own business when it comes to declaring to know the will and desires of God. "

If this be true, then you can not seek him. This is not true. He wants a relationship with us and he wants us to know is word! He gave us his word in the King James Bible. The true Words of God uncorrupted! I stand bye my guns. The same foolish scholars trying to corrupt God you are listening too and they are seeking God, according to you they shouldn't, then why believe them ? And if it were practiced you would not have a bad world view at all and God's word still preserved!

Psalm 8:4 & 6

When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful of him ? and the son of man, that thou visitest him ? ...-6. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

God created us to fellowship with him and to get to know his creation.

Jeremiah 10:5

Thus saith the Lord, Let not the wise man glory in his wisdom, neither let the mighty man glory in his might, let not the rich man glory in his riches: But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he UNDERSTANDETH and KNOWETH me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord

He wants us to know him and his creations! This brings all glory to him!
By the same token, the false scholars that teach you bad science are warned against and will be dealt with.

God did not preserve his word to be only understood by guru scientists to interpret it for the masses. That is cult like. Rather, these scientist that claim the earth is old are doing Satan's work.

Besides, there is no evidence for an old universe. It's all agenda baise. What chruch do you belong to ? The Bing Bang is false.

 

You get the point of the scripture passage, yes ? Or do you need a guru to tell you ? Do you speak hewbrew ? You are not sure that God can preserve his word, are you ? God can.

Science is the search of knowlege through observation.

 

lol

Why would God need to preserve his word?!

By the way, thedope did explain simply what he meant. He is someone whose humour does them 'justice' (pardon the harsh word.)

This needn't become a who's who situation of the most loving. Some loves just happen to be more intact than others. This by no means implies some kind of exclusive entitlement to 'the truth', only a lightness in bearing it. : D

 

I would like you to educate me in this view, if you may.

 

I think I know. But I would like you to try and think of some reasons why God would want to preserve his word. Can you ?

 

If I created something for people to use, and then wanted them to use it in totally different ways than what seems apparent from the nature of that object, then I'd want to preserve that too. For sure. The question is then, why create it like that in the first place?

 

Welcome back brother Walsh.

Can you provide me some examples of using the bible in 'different ways' that seems apparent form the nature of the object ? I'm not that smart and the wording is not too clear to me.

Do you mean the nature of Man's sin ? Keep in mind everyone falls short of the glory of God. His word is multifaceted. All you need in life is God and his word. That is for sure.

It is a standard of what God wants us to know. The history, how he created us, why he did, how we went from the garden to Jesus. A way to form hypothesis and test the world scientifically to understand his creation etc...It is the book of truth.

I really don't understand the set up of your question, tbh.

 

You've said you don't think me stupid, but ignorant.

I say it is possible you hold harder to 'articles' of faith than faith itself in what you know to be true. An unscientific observation to be sure, so sue me. ;D

To answer your question, there is the reason that God imagined there to be designs on his life. Doesn't hold water with me, and I hold it well don't you know.

 

My faith is in God and his word. The God of the bible. It is not hard for me to hold that. I am here to talk about the bible and edify myself with others and to disscus with others who may not be in a relationship with our Father. Not only am I sharing the good news with you I am going over a lot of scripture and doing a lot more research while discussing here. It serves a lot of purposes. I am learning too.

You said my faith is an unscientific observation for sure.

Well I would like to point out that evolution claims life spontaneously generated in the oceans 3.8 billions of years ago out of inanimate matter. And that from this we evolved into man through billions of years of evolution. This my friend, is unobservable. It has not one shred of evidence and is completely untrue. It is a religion.

So, in a nut shell Evolutionist believe In the beginning dirt...

I would be very happy to go over all the reasons why evolution is untrue and how it is a religious world view biased on bad agenda.

 

Let's not bring sin into this. I'm simply referring to the vigour and power of nature, where the strong dominate the weak and there is no real mercy or grace to be seen. Justice in the new testament works more than a little differently from this don't you think? It's a kind of reversal where the patterns of nature are to be halted and the sick are to take precedence over the healthy.

 

^ But then again, that's not at all surprising - the old testament reflected the history of a proud and strong people, which the Jews were before their subjugation by the Romans. When they came under Roman rule the books needed to be changed to legitimize and raise in status (outer and inner) an oppressed, downtrodden, spiritually and materially poor people, forgotten by a formerly vengueful god.

 

I know very well that 'chance' 'chaos' 'accident' spell death to the religious mind. Conversely, the laughing mind take these in its step, that of a dancing body.

One who is happy to evolve is beyond saying "In the beginning there was..." LOL

I'm over the arguments. I've seen, heard them. I am not however out to prevent them. This is the truth: evolution is nothing more than change. The "danger" seen in it is of ones own making.

 

Chance, chaos, accident spell nothing of the sort to the mind. Don't get it twisted brother, your mind is religious. You have some religious belief.

Walking in truth, I know the world is fallen and in chaos, that chances happen and so do accidents. I suggest you read the bible. This is all man's wisdom you speak. It is narrow and shows you have little understanding beyond what your mind thinks. After all you may have a laughing mind, that of a dancing body in step, yes ? So these things are no death for a religious mind, even your religious mind. I just happen to walk with God and you walk blinded by the public education system and Satan.

No matter what. If you believe in Evolution then you have to accept that you came from intimate rocks. There is no way around it. This is your truth. Religious truth. It is completely false by the way. And I just don't think that. I'm going point by point over the evidence they use for MACRO evolution and it is all religious, only happening in the mind. Evolutionist use variation (micro evolution) as examples to claim proof for macro. There is a lot more to why evolution is wrong. You have no idea.

You have not seen the arguments. I assure you. I am going to send you some arguments vis PM. I pray you watch them.

You world view is blinding you. You don't see this obviously. The danger is of Satan's making and ignorance to the plot.

Still you are welcome to your religion of Death (evolution). Death is the hero of the plot.


Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
II Thessalonians 2:11-12

 

Let us see. The vigor and power of nature, where the strong dominate the weak and where there is on mercy of Grace to be seen ?

I can say you may know little of God and the Old Test. Who is teaching you this stuff ?

Your lack of understanding (I assure you) is not evidence for Evolution or evidence that God is non existent.

Bible says;

God is not a man; that he should lie
Numbers 23:19

When he [Satan] speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:43

 

What exactly is unobservable? We've observed life forming from inanimate matter, if that's what you mean.