Strengthen your faith in the bible Christians.

Just as an interesting philosophical side point, there is nothing to have prevented God from creating the universe 15 minutes ago.

He could have just put the fossils were they are and could have arranged light so it looked like it had traveled 15 billions of years and all the rest.

The only problem being the question; why would he?

Likewise, one could still take the Bible fairly literally and believe in both evolution and direct creation. God could have used evolution for all the plants and animals and then made man as a direct creation.

Again, why would he?

 

Radioactive isotopes decay at a predictable rate.

You are correct, I have not read the entire thread. I simply have not had the opportunity. However, when a statement in a running rap is inconsistent with observable phenomena, then the premises built upon that statement, will be inconsistent with truth.

 

Why did god create? For you. Why would he?

 

Radioactive carbon dating is very erroneous. It is not even close to being accurate and it actually supports a young Earth. Friend, I won't leave you hanging out to dry on this one. I'll make a later post to will explain unto thee (posted here and in a PM to you), so that you are without excuse.

You should be able to spit of all the rhetoric and motions that evolutionary life support systems cling to... I will then begin to explain away the error of such and peel back the truth unto you. After you should begin to see and your eyes opened, probably for the first time...and what glorious day that shall be, sister thedope

Please, I love you as a true sister: Give me more points of evidence (in truth give me the road blocks of your faith because that is what it is: Lies and smoke and mirrors and ignorance) and I may show you- Not because I am smarter than you, but I am walking in truth and have been shown and have been made ready for this type of truth for a long time. I was a staunch atheist for 28 years, studied at a big ten university for 3 1/2 years and worshiped myself. God has use for me. I give all glory to the King and to God. He is AMAZING. Praise him ever day, every thought for sending us his Word in the Flesh in so that we may be salvaged and have fellowship with He.

What knowest thee of truth ? Your sinful pride and ignorance keeps you truly in the dark, but you are blinded by your own truths built from the wisdom of Man. . . And in a lot of cases, and more accurately in this thread the agendas and deceit of Man.

Your heart is deceiving you. Then the world and then Satan.

King Jesus says in John 8:32, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free"

 

Sister thedope, you ask questions. I feel that oft times atheist simply argue and raise such questions because they have to be convinced of God or seek him out. God is pulling you whether you acknowledge it or not.

God says evidence of his creation is all around you and that all believe in God despite what the prideful self conjures up. You are without excuse. I wish I could sit with you for a few hours and not talk science or God but to talk agenda and the humanist world view agenda. This is key, though it is mostly indoctrination you, we, all went through to pull away from truth. Truth is in Jesus Christ and that is a threat to a lot of evil plans. I tell you the truth.

He created us for fellowship with him. He loves us more than any human binded in time/space/matter can comprehended. We were created in the image of He.

peace my sister friend.

 

You are fun to talk to. I said radioactive isotopes decay at a predictable rate. I did not say anything about radioactive carbon dating which is a specific process. Geological records are pretty concise within certain geological structures. In the grand canyon for example there are deposits that are multiples of millions, not thousands of years.

Why would I do that? It is not a function of my practice. I am more into practical applications.

Rather you stop making hasty, "statements of truth". As above.

I am as god created me.

 

For the joy of being. I am male by the way.

 

My OlderWater Brother, you make a GREAT point!

At one time some believed the Bible said that the Sun revolves around the Earth and yet the Earth revolves the Sun. Does that mean the Bible was wrong ?

And the false prophets and Pharisees of today teach the Earth is billions of years old. This all speculation and more agenda severing that science inquiry. Just because they teach that today does not make right. You exemplified this point with the above example. Also they taught for 2,000 years that if you drop two objects for the same height that the bigger one would fall faster, all else equal in wind resistance. This false. Point is, just because the "majority" believe it and teach it does not make it right.

Some may believe the bible said the sun revolved around the Earth but that is wrong. If you read the bible it is not even in there and is a lie...get the point ?


I beseech you to research bible history and decided which is God's word preserved. It is the AV King James Bible ( a upcoming post).

Quickly consider and meditate on this scripture taken from John Chapter 1.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

God is revealing to you the Universe did not evolve or he did not create it that to do such. Because nothing was made later (in time) that was not already made in the beginng...ready just by scriputre he puts down evoltionary theory and to say nothing of the science rubttals. This says that everything was created at once. Nothing evolved.

Now, you don't think the stars evolved or anything, true. I'm not saying you are. I know you think that he just made everything at once, but a billion years ago, then man later, right ? Point is, keep your mind on scripture and the word of God. Not the doctrines of Man.

Just keep in mind there is no evidence WHATSOEVER to prove or provide in the realm of common sense that the universe is billions of years old scientifically.

Your whole belief on this fallacy hinges on false teachings on a erroneous, blasphemous translation of a word that is inconsistent with scripture and science. Jesus warns us of them. WOE.

My question is, do you understand the posion and agenda you are being force fed ? and why ?

 

Sorry on the mixup, brother. I wasn't sure, because your profile pic looks like a female.

Radioactive isotopes and carbon dating rely on the decay and half life of carbon 14. I will explain the error of this.

What Geological records ? There is no such geological column or fossil record. It is all a myth and a belief system. I can show you this. I have already addressed this in early postings.

The Grand Canyon is another error. It happened very quickly. The mouth of the river is thousands of feet higher than the back end. Water can not erode up hill. I will come back to this. I love when atheist and evolutionist use this one. It is easily put down. You should start to see the smoke and mirrors. The whole interpretation is fallacy. A flood better explains the canyon, honestly. I will cover this too in a PM. I have lot of replies to make. I won't leave you hanging.

Truth is not hasty. It is good. You recognize God. Amen. (listen to him, He does not lie).


I owe you three Revelations of Truth:

1. Isotopes
2. Grand Canyon
3. Geological record

Honestly, these are popular evidences in this debate and are easily refuted. . . keep the points rolling in my brother.

 

I would never take a mans word. Evolution is not part of science, it uses no science...it rests on religious belief. There is no evidence save for variation, yet this micro evolution is implied to explain how the the universe evolved, how elements evolved, how stars evolved, how planets evolved, how we arose for a soup from the oceans in spontaneous generation into life from a rock into man eventually.


Show me all the charts and every bit of rhetoric of the Religion of Evolution here so that I may be honest with you.

An argument against God assumes God. We both know he is real.

Peace Sister Night Owl.

 

Friend Indy Hippie, welcome to the thread. Let's begin shall we ?

Why can't evolution fit with the God concept? Many jews have already accepted it why can't Christians?

Evolution is not science. It is a religion. You have to believe that we evolved from rocks...and in the begging was nothing, then dirt. No way around it. God did not state he used evolution. He states rather clearly in Genesis chapter one that he created man in his image and everything in the universe and the Earth is 6 24 hr days.

Many people are being massively deceived and sold on this principle of false doctrine. Just because many believe does not make it evidence for it. It is a religious view point. You have to believe and imagine evolution to work. It exists no where else. Give me some evidence that you think supports it and I will walk you through it.

True Christian Doctrine has no holes. The King James is God's true Word preserved. All other MODERN translations come from agenda biased texts and fabrications.

I am not going to even debate you on the bible contridictions you try to raise simply because I see you have no idea what you are talking about and I would look just as foolish as you trying to engaged in that madness. LOL Not to say you are dumb.

 

I am getting back logged here and I owe the thread several proofs. Just to clear it up and keep everything on track I will be making a post, God willing, on:

1. Geological records / Geo. Column
2. Carbon dating / isotopes
3. Why the King James / bad texts
4. Grand Canyon
5. Why the universe is young (Scripture and science proofs).

If there is any more you claim, just post it and list it for me below and I will cover it. Let's chase all the rabbits and kick all the dogs.

 

It must be quite interesting to know the answers relating to all existance. Many have tried and here we have them revealed before our very eyes. TRUE BELIEVERS can be frightening and dangerous. This,I know. Only the truly self righteous can dismiss all beliefs of others in service of their own. Especially scientific axioms proven by trial and error. Doesn't matter--I don't belong in here anyway------sooooooo

 

It is amazing! Praise God.

How are true believers in the Word of God and Christ dangerous ? Christ teaches peace, truth, and love. True belivers obey the Lord in all things.

There are no scientific axions proven by trial and error in relation to evolution. Why ? Because it is fantasy not science, a humanist indoctrinated world view. Evolution is a lie and it's real purpose is unknown to you. Truth is evolution is very dangerous and dumb.

You are welcome here.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love on another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 13:34 & 35

 

let me ask you Ramble, have you ever studied the original hebrew scriptures? Have you even actually bothered to read the Old Testement? Do you even know where your religion's roots actually spring from? Did you know that the true founder of Christianity was a pagan till the day he died? Did you know that Easter and Christmas are both originally pagan holidays? Or that there is a pagan god called Mithras who supposedly did everything that the gospels claimed Jesus did almost 1000 years before Jesus even came to be? So before you try to say that I am foolish perhaps you should stop being so blind and actually look into your religion, everything I state and that was stated previously is historical fact, whereas the bible itself isn't even remotley historical, I came here to have a peaceable conversation about the things stated here, but I see now that you have too much wool over your eyes to even percieve other possibilities besides the one you believe to be true. This is why all religions are wrong, including atheism, you all assume that you're the only ones who can be right about the world... I feel sorry for you and all others like you. You don't answer the questions or facts I stated above because you don't know any answer to them Ramble, but perhaps one day you will.

 

Carbon is not used to obtain the age of the earth.

 

As I've already pointed out, I do not believe in Evolution and I would appreciate it if you would stop implying that I do.

Also, I don't base my faith on how old the Earth is because the Bible does not say how old the Earth is.

As well, the Bible does not anywhere say the creative days were 24 hours but in Hebrews, as I have pointed out, the Bible does seem to indicate that they were thousands of years long.

 

Why does an eternal being need time to create at all?

 

OWB, you bring up a good point, and a second semi-serious question to which I think I have an answer.

1) Yes, God could have created the world 15 minutes ago and with the "appearance of age" which would involve decit and our God is not a god of decit.

2) Why evolution? Well the rest of the Universe is ordained and sustained by God through natural processes and Laws, so why single out life as a place where God chooses to act generally contrary to the rest of Creation? My question to you would be, why does God need to form each "kind" of creture individually? Why not use a natural process the ultimately rests upon his own Laws.

 

Take a look at Genesis 2 to see where Adam came from...