Morning, The other week I received a half gram of methamphetamine, which had great reviews. However, despite my great expectations for what I thought was the holy grail of stimulants, I experienced chiefly negative effects. These effects were similar to the side-effects of RC stims and included anxiety, dysphoria, muscle twitches, fast and strong heartbeat, and the most disconcerting (but rather common for me with stims), purple/blue kneecaps which go numb.The numbness usually goes away for quite a bit if I hop in a hot shower, and the discolouration generally fades as well. Usually knees are back to normal a few hours after the chemical has worn off. But if I'm going to be using the MA for lengthy study sessions and spring cleaning, which is the only reason I ordered it, I want to see if I can get some assurance from those that have been around that this numbness/blueing is just par for the course when one is using powerful stims, missing sleep/food, and not moving around much. When it comes to doses I started off very small (15mg line), but it just made me feel rather uncomfortable and edgy. I tried another 15-20 right before the cinema (The Quit Ones in theatres was absolutely nervewracking, and not in a good way lol). Not to be discouraged, over the hours I raised my doses gradually, lightly and progressed by the second day/night to plugging and smoking 20-30mg doses. There were waves of mood lift, but all in all, very disappointing. My only real praise is that the crash, much like MDMA was essentially non-existent...but that might have been because the whole experienced felt like a minor crash. I was thinking about raising the dose to at least 40-50mgs plugged or IV to see if I can get something out of it. My only concern is I had only done maybe .1-.3 over 2-3 days, yet I still experienced slightly frightening and quite irritating peripheral symptoms, and I'm worried these will become even more pronounced (possibly dangerous) if the dose is raised. So my questions are, is it possible that this MA is simply not very potent and I'm taking just enough to get a hint of the buzz, but all of the negatives? It's apparently locally made, quite clean, has reviews ranging from "OK" to "the best I've had in my life", and looks just like the shards you see on TV, but who knows what cuts or impurities might be in there. And my second is about the knees. I'm almost certain it's the vasoconstriction, but I've never heard of these purple, numb kneecaps except from other posters in connection with 4-MMC; as well as my previous instances with MDMA, 2-FA, EPH, and some kind of wannabe 4-MMC branded powder. Funny thing is I can never remember it happening when I used to take rather large doses of dextroamphetamine when I was much younger -that was just pure, smooth, euphoric motivation. The one thing I find appealing about MA is the price, and the fact that, like MDMA, I have not yet experienced a crash. Maybe slight paranoia, anxiety, stimulation, but every one of those symptoms are eliminated with just a few mgs of etizolam, a couple drinks, and, depending on my heart rate, some grass. So something to be worried about? 1.Should I stop using study-aids (not really an option in post-grad)-:, 2.Should I cut the use for the day as soon as the knees start going numb, or is it just a common side-effect that goes along with stimulant use? I'm not looking for medical advice here but it'd be greatly appreciated if anyone that has any input, pointers, or similar experiences. Thanks for your time, I didn't realize how long it was going to be, and thanks in advance for any contributions you may have. EDIT: This afternoon I did plug the 30mgs (heart was still going, so I was reluctant to dose as high as I was hoping to) and experienced virtually no effect besides it thoroughly waking me up, Smurf knees, and a jackhammer heart rate. Over the next couple hours I smoked maybe 20 mgs with the half bowl from the last night, and hit a couple 10-20mg lines. It was only then I began to start to feel what I was looking for, but it was still severely lacking in euphoria and absolutely abundant in undesirable side effects. The issues about the knees, heat rate, and muscle spasms have still not been resolved, so any anecdotes, suggestions, or information regarding this would be greatly appreciated. I absolutely scoured the net but was not able to find anything that really provides the information I seek. Again, thanks in advance, your input will be greatly appreciated.
Methamphetamine is fairly harsh physically... The only reason it would be considered the "holy grail of stimulants" would be for all the wrong reasons. I've tried it a couple times, it's not an experience that provided me a ton of euphoria as well. The only benefits I found from it were an industrial, sharp clarity of mind. I found the side effects pretty undesirable and it was moreish too. Those side effects you are getting sound pretty bad, I'd recommend a substance that may be a bit lighter on side effects.
Thanks for the responses. I spoke to my doctor today and he told me the numb, discoloured knees are not a cause for concern as long as they return to normal after the effects fade, but started me on Adderall anyway as I still find the effect rather irritating. And as for the quality of the substance, there were zero negative reviews, so I think it just may be me. I'm going to try some MA which is specifically advertised as 'pure' next time I place an order and compare the effects. I'm just terribly relieved that my health is apparently not in any jeopardy.
All I can give for advice is this: Drugs are all a sacrifice. Your trying to get something out of them and your willing to deal with the side effects. Well.... That's if you have thought it through in the first place. Sometimes people are out going "this shit sounds like fun!". Either way.. you gotta watch your side effects. If you think you can come across a drug that can give you what your looking for with fewer side effects its probably best to switch to the substance with fewer side effects. Also realize that if your not a medical professional and your using certain drugs as if you are one, that theres a good chance you can run into some serious issues. And I dunno what the laws are like where you are from, but where I am from even the most minor of drugs used without prescription can get you in deep fucking shit legally. So yea, I think ive given you the best guidance I can give without sounding like mom, dad, or that "lets take a bite out of crime" dog whatever his name is.... I myself say "fuck the war on drugs". But that doesnt mean im saying "take every single drug you get your hands on for whatever reason!" Hell, my drug of choice is caffeine. Keeps me alert and on my toes even when I should be tired. Keeps me from running off the side of the road when I am driving home from the casino at 5am. Also a bit of alcohol when im looking to cut loose(ive never been drunk though beleive it or not) and some camomille tea. Everyone uses something to their advantage.
your doctor is an idiot to prescribe adderall to a methamphetamine user .. the numb discolored knees is a sign of vasoconstriction, be careful
Suprised this topic is still around. Doc switched me to plain d-amphetamine and all peripheral side effects were gone the next day. Doing crystal (or PVP for that matter), I know now I'm in for a good 5 day ride, but I know what to expect and when to quit. Plus got a much better supplier- mAMP surely beats whatever those hicks mix with their batch. But most importantly, went for an exhaustive series of tests, and everything from my body weight to my ECGs to WBC CKinase were perfect. Just hypochondria at it again.Strangely every doctor, even those who specialize in cardiovascular issues said the numb, purple knees were just a harmless side effect. Live and learn I guess.
