Straight Men

I know what you are talking about. I don't know how many girls I've seen at clubs making out because they think its cool or because guys talked them into it. It is pathetic.

Bisexuality is so "in" right now. It's sad. It is taboo and kids are always trying to be rebellious. But in a way, who are we to judge? Maybe they are gay, or experimenting. I'm thankful we live in times that it is okay to be gay.

But, at least you are true to yourself, and that's all that matters right?

 

How come gay men have female friends but lesbians are man haters?

 

I know what you guys mean. My friends are always woooo Lesbians!

But I never see the girls saying "Gay guys making out is really hot" I seriously don't get it. It's ridiculouse that people see lesbians as really cool people but see gays as freaks

 

Most girls ive asked, (that are straight) think Lesbians are disturbing, but is up to peoples refrences. Most just do it cuz others do it. Don't follow a trend and maybe everything would be different. :/

 

way too harsh. and besides, there are far better reasons to hate guys than this.

 

To We All Shine On,
Damn "We All Shine On"! You sound like one angry, I presume young, Lesbian. Ya know all of us guys are not the same. No many of us are so different that we hold deep, dark secrets within our souls that we can only let out on the internet. Secrets that even our most intimate mates do no know. Thats right even those that have lived and loved with us are totally ignorant of our deep dark secrets. And, we will carry them to the grave with us, except with those of you on the internet where our anonymity is secure but our speech can rein freely. You are an intelligent lady. I know that you know just what I am talking about, or I would not be talking to you about it nor on this page of this forum. Think about it. You are an intelligent person. Were not all as bad as you think. Some males are "different". Some males would have their world to lose if their deep dark secret were known publicly.
Perhaps you should give at least some of us a break and a second chance?


EDIT Sorry billys1 please invite 'we all shine on' to PM you, then you can exchange your emails in private if you wish and not over the forums- samhain

Love to hear from you---and I look forward to it soon.

billys1 :rainbow:

 

please note I have edited the last post.
also i would add that whilest this makes for an interesting debate take a look at when the original poster wrote this, it was almost a year ago, so discuss it yes, however I would suggest any judgements about the OP should not be made unless she comes back and makes her posistion about this clear, as opinons may have changed
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Okay, I havn't read through the whole of this post other than the OP's comment.

Please excuse me if any of this has already been said.

Okay, so you don't like straight guys because of lesbians...Are you fucking serious? You think that WE are the problem, and cause, of lipstick lesbians (as my friend calls it)? You blame the fact that alot of girls kiss each other in public to gain the attraction of straight guys, yet you fail to understand that not all straight guys find dykes attractive. Personally, I couldn't think of a more off-putting thing as to see two girls kissing each other in hopes to get my attention; I don't even find it attractive. I want to make sure that a girl is interested in me being male, and not to what my cock finds happy.

If you think it's our fault that we subject these girls to being fake dykes you are incredibly stupid...Not wrong, but blatantly fucking stupid. I find it a personal insult to my own sexuality of being a hetero that you blame THIS on US. Do I blame all lesbians for being so arousing to a large number of males? Of course I don't!

You even seem homophobic to your own sexuality, due to your resentfulness towards lesbians who you think are doing it for male attention. How in the fuck would you know other than an assumption? Of course some girls do it, but hell, some girls find fag's hot. Does that mean that women have subjecting men into doing that?

Sort your stupid feminist dyke principals out, and stop thinking that women are being scrutinized by the men, because in this case you're not.

 

On the other hand, would you rather experience what gay men deal with when they hold hands out in public? At least lesbianism is more "accepted".

Still, I see your frustration, obviously.

 

Oh, and coming out isn't that big of a deal anymore. If it was still a big deal we would still be living in the conservative 30s. It's a good thing that coming out isn't a big deal because it means that people are becoming more accepting towards Gaydom.

 

are they though, coronation street got the biggest number of compliants on tv about two years ago because they dared to have a gay kiss before the water shed, lucky made a thread about discrimmination in a local school and time again in the coming out forum we hear about people being beaten by their parents for coming out.
coming out may not be a big deal for you, but like you have said on another thread, you never had too
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Very true, but I was arguing due to her wanting for coming out to be a big thing. I was trying to say that it shouldn't be that big of a thing, regardless of how other people perceive it. It's the fact that she wants it to be such a big thing that I find baffling.

Sorry if it came across differently.

 

thats fine, however to some people its a speical event and a celebration of their diversity as well.
also LA I have commented that this thread is over a year old, so try not to be too hard on her, because we don't know how her views have developed in teh last 12 months
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la
i was replying to a post on the gay thread not the straight men thread. had nothing to do with anyone but those of US that have secrets that we carry to our graves. calm down , ok

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I don't know what you're talking about. Care to elaborate?

 

Wow...
I'm sorry, I don't see what's wrong with girls making out with other girls. Why does the root cause of them making out affect anyone else? So what if they aren't completely homosexual, or even a precise balance between hetero and homo (bisexual). What's wrong with expressing your sexual emotions in public?

I guess I just don't understand hatred based on gender or sexual orientation... I love men, and women, homo's and hetero's and bi's. Tran's and two-spirited and.. yeah. I don't understand why you'd want to create more boundaries, more obstacles to deal with in your life.

 

not particularly.

 

We all shine on, where are you? Your post sounded sincere, though it is not very loving, imho. If my brother in law sees two hetero's kissing, he is grossed out. It is just lack of understanding, we fear the unknown, and gay or straight, man or woman, or whatever label has been assigned to the person, we all can be scared. Homophobic gay bashers are acting hateful, but inside they are just very frightened. Scared they might be gay, or scared just cuz they don't know anything about what it is like to be gay, or whatever. We are all unique, and yet we are all very alike. I am straight, and I have the same love for all, no matter their gender, sexual preference, ethnicity, or religion. There are good and bad traits in all people, and no one is perfect. To be blunt, I feel we're all lazy, we all lie, we are all stupid in lots of ways, and we can all be afraid. But I accept all of that, cuz if we love, the rest can be overcome. Hate can't dispell hate, only love can. Maybe you are just lashing out at the straight person in you. We're all a little gay, and vice versa.

 

Woah, woah, woah. First of all, it's not right for anyone to make a rash, generalized statement for the majority of any sexual identity, race, gender, religion, etc., based on the actions of few, or many for that matter. but a response to a mistake like that is not more bashing! All men are not pigs, obviously. if your reasons for disliking most of them are valid and from personal experience with most straight men you know, then at the very least you can still only speak in regards to the ones that YOU know. can we stop with the stereotyping to fuel a fire of further destruction and focus on the actual topic at hand? i think if someone is open enough to outwardly embrace their sexuality that is a minority in this society without judgement, then they should be open enough to embrace all other aspects of that same society. the problem is not "straight men" or "fake lesbians", the problem is the motivation behind some of these people's actions to make them act in a way you don't understand. before you go blaming the entire straight male population and young curious teenage girls, take a look at the root within the system...probably the media...that encouraged them to act that way, and blame THAT.

 

Coming out means coming out of the closet or coming out of hiding. In a more enlightened society, people shouldn't have to hide who they are. If they didn't feel the need to hide, they wouldn't have to "come out". The fact that teenagers are using sexuality for attention or shock value is nothing new. They've been doing that for years. What is new is the acceptance of same sex relationships among the adults of tomorrow.