Stop Blaming God

Nice...:iagree:

 

what if i told you that i was going to come back, like jesus?

 

People ruin their lives by their own foolishness
and then are angry at the Lord. Proverbs 19:3; Ecclesiastes 9:11

 

if a god is the eternal, all-powerful puppet master, then isn't everything we do just his will?

 

if god is really responsible for everything that happens in this world, don't you think he's responsible too? i mean, he created it. he controls it. he planned every microsecond down to the nanometer. why shouldn't people hold him accountable for the misfortunes, as well as the successes of their life?

 

He isn't and it's not.

 

Free Will?

 

Reallest shit said in this thread.

People ask the wrong questions. The question isn't "if God loves us, why doesn't God provide us with everything we need?" God has provided us with more than enough right here on this Earth for us all to live predominantly happy and peaceful lives. The real question is "what kind of people would allow a small percentage of the world's population to control most of the world's resources?" You're mad at God when you should be mad at the greed of mankind which is really what is causing you to suffer. If it isn't greed, it's another negative emotion that you choose to allow to control your life.

And no we don't live for a little while then die forever. Our Universe has been here for billions of years, you mean to tell me you really think you just started to exist 15 years ago?? Like there was no traces of you and you suddenly popped out of thin air??

 

I like where this train of thought is going. Welcome to the boards. :cheers2:

 

Thanks

 

he still created each individual deliberately intending for that individual to do as he forsaw. yes, there's free will, but he deliberately made both mother theresa and osama bin laden individuals who would do what they did. (i'm not christian, by the way...but that's how he worked according to my catholic upbringing)

 

You can make a watch that hypothetically will run for 10 years. It may run for 5, it may run for 20 depending on how it is treated.
If you believe that God made Osama bin Laden for the express purpose of killing thousands of people, then I can see why people would be angry at God. I don't think this is correct. I think God may be able to see what will come of making us, but makes us regardless... in short, because he loves us. If you want to think that's just as bad, I guess that's up to you.
I don't.
Might have something to do with the fact that I choose not to be miserable and think the worst. Part of that whole "you make your own suffering" thing, I guess.

 

The way I see it is that, although God has the ability to foresee the future, in order to allow us to have free will, he does not use that ability in the case of individuals, so we are free to do as we please without what we do being predetermined. Thus we are responsible for the choices we make.

 

right on. i guess everyone has their own interpretation. the whole "god has a plan for everyone" notion leads me to think that he's deliberately responsible for everything that happens though. (probably already said this, but i'm agnostic...this is according to my old beliefs)

 

Oh he has a plan for everybody but in general and so each individual can decide for themself where they fit in that plan.

 

Molinists divide God's knowledge into three separate categories. The first is God's knowledge of necessary truths. These truths are independent of God's will and cannot be false. Examples include statements like, "All bachelors are unmarried" or "X cannot be A and non-A at the same time, in the same way, at the same place". The second kind of knowledge is God's free knowledge. This type of knowledge consists of contingent truths that are dependent upon God's will; or truths that God brings about, that He does not have to bring about. Examples might include statements like "God created the earth" or something particular about this world which God has actualized. The third kind of knowledge is middle knowledge (or scientia media) and describes things that are contingently true, but are independent of God's will. These are truths that do not have to be true, but are true without God being the primary cause of them. "If I had taken the train instead of driving, I would not have been late for work," is an example of middle knowledge. I did not take the train, so God is not involved as a cause.

Swiped from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molinism

Basically God doesn't do everything, nor does he need to. He could, but doesn't.

 

:smilielol5:
Now that I think about it; we probably all swipe our ideas from others, even if we think we just came up with.

 

Do you believe that nothing that has happened in your life has shaped the person that you are? The above seems to imply that whatever a person is when they get famous, they must have been designed to become that person. This would suggest that, from infancy to adulthood, nothing that happened in their lives had sufficient impact to cause any deviation from their strict, pre-ordained life plan.

I mean, if you can argue that that's not implied, then fine, but if it is implied, the whole idea seems bogus. It would render all the preaching about morality contained within the Bible obsolete, since we would be incapable of being anything other than what we were designed to be, regardless of temptation, meekness, self-denial, etc.

 

I know that there is no god, so I don't blame him/her....that would be like blaming the boogie monster, and I havent done that since i was 6

 

We, in our present forms are not meant to know the nature of existance,god or otherwise.It would seem we have always existed in one form or another.One thing seems certain to me tho, and that is,long term we and all we can imagine will recycle back into the natural order of all."Be here now"=Leary.---------I laugh in order to keep from weeping.