Stop Arguing for Equality!

Sorry, my mistake. I thought the post that I was replying, was from you...
I corrected it later... I am spending too much time on the computer... Good night!

 

Arite, I have gotten over the fact that the last time I tried responding to JackDoff my post was erased and I am back to type it all again!

What exactly do you mean when you say "gather at churches"? In Christianity there are many different churches within the religion. Not all Christians take the bible literally. As I understand it from my world history class, in the protestant sect the major difference from the rest of Christianity which it broke off from, it felt the bible was the supreme authority, not the pope, and many protestants take the bible literally (although I might be generalizing a bit). However this is only one sect of Christianity, and many christians do not take the writings of the bible literally. In fact most of the Christian adults I know do not take it literally. I know that no two Catholics in my mother's church have the exact same beliefs about the religion. And you are exactly right, if the bible is not always taken literally it will have a different meaning to whoever is reading it. That is one reason why many people have different beliefs in Christianity.

I must definitely disgree on this, because although it is not known exactly who wrote genesis, it was a person(s). And whoever it was, they are human. I take this into account when reading peoples bible quotes on the forums. They were only human, and I think it affected the teachings of the bible, because back then the society was sexist.
Anyway, I think we should let this topic rest and agree to disagree. This is getting off subject and starting to look like it belongs in the Philosophy and Religion forum

I still don't really see the importance of mentioning feelings...I don't really think men are more or less fierce or put more or less effort into their game. And although men are stronger than women, I wouldn't use the terms "professional" and "amateur", making it sound as if men really know what they are doing and women do not. They are both professional in their league, and if compared than simply the men are most likely a stronger team.

Wow, I totally have to disagree with you on this arguement. I think that the only reason more men would be in lower paying jobs, is that many women, even in this age, still stay at home as housewives. Because of this many women don't get jobs, and the men are the ones who go out and get the low paying jobs. Also, I find it insulting to call the jobs "dirty" because the people who take these jobs are noble in their cause to try to make a living in a tough workplace. I still feel you have no basis to make this claim.

In fact, I can use my own life as an example. My father lost his job after working a long time at a big company. He made little effort to find a new job, although he had been the only one working at the time. My mother was forced to rush out and get the first available job she could find. She was forced to settle with a job teaching a second math class to special ed. students although she was only qualified in social studies. She took the job and dealt with the kids with the worst discipline problems in grades 7 and 8, while my dad stayed at home. Our income was low enough that we were elligible for food stamps. Fortunately, my mother found a better job, and this year we are out of the food stamps income range, although my father still doesn't have a job, nor has made a big effort. So I see that in no way do men have more work ethic than women, and I am insulted by the idea you just made up and assumed to be true that women are not willing to stoop to a certain level to make a living. How many male prostitutes have you seen on the streets trying to earn some many in a bad neighborhood?

 

To the owner who brought the big dog FOR the little dog, yes the big dog is inferior compared to the little dog.

Women claim to be, that is why they constantly complain about the shitty media/sponsor attention they get. And no women have been persistent enough to be able to play all the events as men do.

I don't mean off the sports field, can't you link one and one together? I'm talking about sports and I mean men are more fierce and angry on the field, if you disagree go read page 1 at the bottom before your next comeback.

Greyhound and horses are very different. Greyhounds are more blood thirsty and have a different style, even if so since horses are more superior in running MORE people pay attention to it, which is what I pointed out.

In the bakery industry, go look up the owner of the important chain bakerys and you'll find out it is men who own it, and to own a chain worldwide, you would've had to roll a lot of dough.
Men touch every job, you must remember the workforce 100% consisted of men back in the days.

Believe it. Cleaning is a household experience and women are more superior than men at it. I mean the REAL dirty jobs, rubbish pick-ups, garbage workers, miners.

Women are not more intelligent. Who are the geniuses in the past? Men, who invented telescopes, cars, computers, engines, steam trains, electricity, light bulbs, you're a fool to say women are more intelligent. The intelligence level is the same, but as the past shows men seem to be more persistent to achieving their dream.
As for parents, women are superior, so men accepting this is the fact, give the housejob to women.

That's what I said you idiot, try reading the replies that I've made. Men and women have superiority in different fields so stop asking for equality.

 

God, you're SO fucking stupid, man.

"The intelligence level is the same, but as the past shows men seem to be more persistent to achieving their dream.
As for parents, women are superior, so men accepting this is the fact, give the housejob to women."

If we're talking about people being persistent, then you need to shut the hell up. Because womyn are doing that, and you wont allow it. They want equality, they are being persistant, but NO, 'men' have to be the more persistant in inventing thing? You're SO fucking retarded man. I wish you a good life though. I hope you finally realize how ignorant this all is.

 

I was comparing the women to the men. At the level they played it, if they played in the same tournament, majority of women will be in the amateur league. The difference between a male soccer player and a female soccer player is the skill, and you contradict yourself because you say 'A woman at the top of her game may be weaker than a man at the top of his game'

I don't care if it didn't affect you, it was meant to affect the people who do believe in god, this thread wasn't created for you.
I didn't use the bible, the bible used me, and look I didn't come up with the gift analogy, Eve was created to be a companion to Adam, that point I was trying to make, and it looks like I made it to you.

Men aren't complaining for equality, they accept the facts, go read the other replies I made.

I agree women should just accept what they have and use what they already have.

 

I agree we are equal on humanness, but women don't. Women aren't complaining for human rights, they are complaining for equality with men in every aspect of life.

I would start my own business by whatever means is necessary. If a women created a light bulb people will still buy it, so if I was so good then what I made will attract people. Most people don't give a shit who invented the goods they buy.

Gender defines a personality. How many times have you seen a man in a mini-skirt and make-up? You are disgusted? If you're not, than you're gay.

 

First of all, you're SO fucking stupid. Because womyn as you like to call them, are being persistent on a whole different factor. They are wasting time on what is pointless, if we were supposed to be equal in EVERY aspect of life we would be asexual.
But you never know, perhaps if women are persistent enough, they'll find a way to grow a penis and get the testerone men have.
Why do women want to be the same as men? The chromosomes are different for a reason.

p.s I would never shut the fuck up

 

JackDoff, after reading all of your replies, it really seems as if the point you are trying to make is that women are inherently inferior to men. I hope this is not what you are trying to say; however your point about the bible seems to be trying to show that women are inferior. Your comment on sports tries to say that women are naturally not as "professional". Finally your comment about "dirty" j obs seems to say that women don't work as hard as men yet they complain.

I don't think either man or woman is more intelligent. But the only reason man invented the telescope and many other things, and not women, is because women weren't allowed out of the house. Marie Currie had all of her discoveries published under her husband's name because of the sexism of the time.

To me, it seems in your arguement you are saying we are inherently inferior so we should stop trying protest and act like we aren't. If this is the case then I would be happy to enlighten you and clear up the misconception...because women aren't inferior. Period.

Namaste,

Diana

 

It doesn't change shit, people still gather at churches believing the same thing which means bible are taken literally, churches is seperated by which parts they value more or not believe, not by how they perceive it.

Where do you see a
'Well personally I think god did a nice job on Earth , I especially like the cow part, they are big and nice o eat.

Yes in a DIFFERENT league, why can't women accept that. Things are DIFFERENT not EQUAL but DIFFERENT.

See you agree with me, women stay at home as housewives, because, hold a moment... THEY ARE DIFFERENT TO MEN.
O.K whatever, I won't call the jobs dirty no more, I'll call it tough.

How many times do I have to tell people this. I am not here to argue case studies because they are a minority.
As for your life, go motivate your dad then.
Look, go look at some statistics, less women stoop to a certain level to make a living.
As for male prostitutes, I have not seen any because I don't go out to 'bad' neighbourhoods in the hope that I get anal that night.

 

Women are inferior than men at certain aspects of life as men are inferior to women in certain aspects of life.
The point about the bible was to show the origin.If we were to be the same, we would be physically same and same DNA, same everything.
No it is saying women work at a different level than men.

Women have had freedom for a long time now, I haven't heard of any break-through inventions from them.

Whatever.

 

Hmm it seems I have a lot to reply to! :sunglasse Here goes..

No need for the lanuage...but anyway umm yes churches are separated by what they believe, different interpretations of the bible will create different beliefs. For example, some people interpret the bible to say that homosexuality is a sin, others do not. Anyway, as I said we should just agree to disagree, and this arguement only holds weight or relevance for those who are Christian.

...It's obvious we disagree on this point. I still believe that the bible is not 100% correct. To quote from J Lazurus on another thread:

I was merely stating that your use of the word professional and amateur was inappropriate, however I still agreed/agree that women are different from men...

Ummm....when have I ever said that women stay at home because they are different from men? I said that many still stay at home. Which would skew the statistics. And the reason women have protested so long for being stuck in the home is because they were stuck. Women were expected to stay home and tend to the needs of their man: cooking and cleaning. They were not allowed to go outside the home. Those women were not protesting to be in the workplace and men be at home at all, and there reason was never that we are genetically the same. They just wanted equal rights because we are all humans, and all humans should have the same opportunites.

As I said, the statistics are skewed because many women stay at home while their husbands work, because although feminism has changed many things, the housewife dynamic does still exist. Also, you say there are these "statistics" but could you please post a website, instead of just making a claim? To say "Oh, see! Since there are less women in hard labor jobs that means that they refuse to stoop to that level." Have you interviewed women? Is there some statistic that says 90% of women refuse to stoop to that low level?

Prostitution is just one example of how your claim is completely unfounded. Like I said, I don't see any male prostitutes standing on street corners, trying to earn money. It seems men won't stoop to that level.

Namaste,

Diana

 

If you were just trying to say that, the bible seems like a bad way to say it. Anyone here could have probably said that men and women are physically different, it is a well known fact.

Can you name a few man inventors of the last ten years? Probably not. I know I can't. However, just to inform you, some female inventors have been:

Marie Curie - discovered Radium and Polonium, their properties/how x-rays can kill tumors
Randice-Lisa Altschul - disposable cell phone
Mary Anderson - windshield wiper
Barbara Askins - developed new way of processing film
Patricia Bath - method to remove cataract lenses, the first time to use laser for eye surgery (making the procedure more accurate)
Katherine Blodgett - nonreflective glass (limiting distortion in lenses such as eyeglasses, microscopes, telescopes, and cameras)
Josephine Cochran - the dishwasher
Dianne Croteau - the CPR mannequin
Gertrude Elion - leukemia-fighting drug
Edith Flanigen - pertroleum refining method
Helen Free - home diabetes test
Ann Tsukamoto - process to isolate stem cell
Mary Phelps Jacob -the bra
Mary Kies (in 1809) - process to weave straw with silk/thread
Stephanie Kwolek - kevlar
Krisztine Holly - 1st computer generated, full-color reflection hologram

..Just to name a few.

Namaste,

Diana

 

Yes, women are more intelligent than men. It's a fact.

The reason why there are few women noted in history for being intelligent is the same reason that there are few women noted in history for doing anything: women were not given the opportunity. In the olden days, women were seen as being intellectually inferior to men. Now we know this is not the case. Today, the world's most intelligent person is a woman.

 

Is that actually true? I have always assumed that man and woman are equal in intelligence. Who is the most intelligent person in the world? (I always thought it was Stephen Hawking).

And to back up your statement of why women didn't invent things back in the day, since women were thought to be inferior they were not allowed to invent things, and most who did had the patent in their husbands name.

Namaste,

Diana

 

The smartest person in the world is Srimati Shakuntala Devi- She has a huge IQ and she is a prodigy. She can calculate square roots and other mathematical stuff in her mind in some seconds.

Anyway, I think Fox channel took a survey once and proved that an average woman has less IQ compared to an average man, but later everyone realized that it is nothing more than a plan to have more publicity.

Intelligence is a very complicated subject, there are many types of "intelligence".

 

That is soooo cool!

 

Yea but I also read stephan hawkings is also undefeated when it comes to IQ.

 

Jedi makes a god point that intelligence is extremely difficult and subjective to measure. Intelligence could, arguably, extend to things such as physical ability.

In the conventional sense of the word, women posess many qualities that makes them more "conventionally intelligent". But men also have many advantages over women (for example, men are better at understanding images and spatial coordination).

There's no real winner. Men and women are both superior in their own ways.

What Jackdoff fails to realise is that peopel who argue for equal rights are arguing to be treated fairly. They're not saying they have the same abilities as the opposite sex. The only actual example Jackdoff gives of women demanding equality is when they asked to compete in men's sports. While it is true that you can't compare men and women's ability in certain sports, women have every right to take part in these sports. And outside of the sporting example, in the vast majority of cases, when people demand equal rights it is a fair request and for a valid reason.

One other thing I'd like to mention. I don't believe that people were "sexist" in the olden days. It was just the society of the time that said women weren't as capable as women. Each individual person was not to blame. If you live in a society where women are believed not to be as capable as men at inventing things then women aren't going to try because they don't think it's possible, and men aren't going to encourage them because they don't think it's possible. That doesn't make them sexist, just ill-informed.

 

Right on, Dizzy Man!

 

i read this thread with the most open mind i possibly could. but i still disagree with you. i highly doubt that any rebutal i would make against your opinions would not be taken seriously or make any progress in changing your mind. but at the same time i felt compelled to reply in some way. so i'll say this, wake the fuck up dude! get over yourself and realize that even though there are difference between men and women we all deserve equal rights and opportunities. i can only feel sorry for someone who is willing to look at the world from such a unkind and barbaric point of view.