stimulants or depressants

It probably depends on which opiate you're dealing with though. Still, to classify all opiates as depressants is ignorant.

 

The opposite is true for me. When relaxed and feeling good, I am more motivated and focused to do things. Stimulants screw up my concentration and make me feel lazy and ill.

 

hallucinogens
but probably downers out of the two options. nothing beats a few benzos and a joint...heaven...x x x

 

they are depressants though...they depress your heart rate etc.

 

yeh man, why are you so keen on highlighting any way theyre not depressant? the effect of the opiate receptor is to cause depressant effects. just because the effect can make you feel giddy or something doesnt mean the general effect isnt a depressant effect.

 

While they may be, technically, classified as depressants, many opiates have some very stimulative effects. For me, they even increase my heart rate, at certain dosages. It's also VERY hard to sleep on many opiates. I may be alone in this, but in my experience, opiates have been quite stimulating.

 

well then they are depressant...your personal exeperiences may be down to something else...in a similar way that alcohol actually doesnt help u sleep but many people claim they sleep easier after a drink...x x x

 

it doesnt help you sleep? i go to sleep in like three secnds even if im not drunk just lightly feeling it, if i want to sleep, its too easy.

 

i can never fall asleep if i actually want to. except with opiates! lol

anyway, alcohol also has certain qualities that someone could say are aspects of stimulants, though the act of effect is inhibitory - slowing down the body and reactions. your bowels slow, your heart slows, your muscles relax. im not sure what dosages could ever increase your heart rate, unless you were just having so much fun from being sedated. what sort of dosages are we talking about, topnotch?
because im more likely to correlate your experiences with something that is personal.

depressants dont necessarily cause you to experience all-round sedations. perhaps youre judging your experiences relative to benzos?

 

depressants are sedatives. even if you think there not. alchole sedates you, removes your inhibitions, thus may make you more talkative and shit. but really thats a result of being sedated.

marijuana is a sedative n mild hallucinogen. i wish it was a stimulant n mild hallucinogen. that would be the best.

uppers are the best. be motivated, outgoing, active, goal orientated. have fun studying and archiveing you can on uppers. live life.

downers are good but i personally hate to feel slow and be inactive and shit.

i wish they invented a mild form of lsd, that was a stimulant, and could be taken everday like weed, without adverse long term psychological effects, like weed.

 

i agree with most of this, but for me and alot of people i know, alcohol doesnt make you more talkative, it just makes you more open or willing to talk about things you normaly wouldnt. as for weed, i actually have bought a couple grams of weed in the past that worked just like a stimulent. maybe it didnt' increase my heart-rate or breathing etc, but it did give me the extreme urge to be active. that was the best weed i've ever had

 

In that case, would you consider marijuana to be a depressant? Because it's not. Actually it is, but it's also a stimulant, psychedelic, euphoriant, etc..

It's the same with opiates, as small doses are quite stimulating, depending on the particular preparation, but in high doses, I'd certainly agree that they are mainly depressant. And I'm sure that many people would agree that 15-25mg of hydrocodone/oxycodone are stimulating, as most people feel like staying busy and it also inclines people to clean their entire house. You're right, though.....it depends on individual experience, swhich is what I was trying to say, but I suppose I worded it wrong. It's all subjective though, I suppose.

Agree to disagree.

 

ill have to disagree with that. you see theres a scientific reason why they are classed as they are. opiates cause differnt chemical reactions in your body, as do uppers. uppers make your adrenaline sore, and put you in "fight or flight mode". now, some people say uppers seem relaxing, yeah, they make you feel calm some times depends on the dose. its like nicotine, makes you feel calm, but its a stimulant. ultimatly its stimulating you. depressants ultimatly slow you down. etc...

 

oh, and to the otehr guy, maybe your weed was laced

 

since we are being so pedantic, i must point out that marijuana always makes your heart beat faster, as well as stimulating various parts of the periferal nervous system. but it is neither a stimulant or a depressant, it is neither. it is its own class.

by upper, this thread was itnended to include amphetamines, cocaine, caffeine, and other drugs that are stimulants, ie, they induce central and periferal nervous stimulation.

by downers i meant benzos, opiates, alcohol, and various other sedatives that result in sedation, ie, inactivation of the central and periferal nervous systems.

marijuana exerts effects in many different ways, and does not come under either of these categories. it tends to relax people and leave them less active, but this does not mean that it is sedating them. it is, in my oppinion, more of a matter of motivation.

for example, a person who is stoned may be less likely to do something like clean their room than a person on opiates or pissed. but those people will (in most cases) be less coordinated than a stoned person who wants to clean their room. of course, the stoned person who doesnt want to clean their room will do a shitarse job. the stoned person may also have less organisation than the sedated person but have a higher heart rate.

stoned people are slow because of a lack of organisation in their brains, and a dissociation of motivation. not because the drug is depressing their brain activity.


i can only speak from my experience, and even small amounts of opiates make me prefer to sit and talk than do something laborious. i think people could be more likely to clean because they are not affected by the aversion they may normally have toward dirty things, nor the stress one feels when they start cleaning to realise how much work ahead of them lies..

15 mg oxy and i will not want to move from the couch unless it is to do something terribly fun.

in fact, ive only had recreational experiences with small amounts, and the most fun activity is walking around to new positions to sit down at.


thought i cant deny the power of your experience.

i see people who get stoned and act retarded, and blame their uncoordination on the marijuana. but even when exeptionally stoned, the only thing ever stopping me from doing something was the will to do it or the concentration to think of what ive got to do next.

then again, ive known people whove said that they are not uncoordinated when drunk or on benzos. i didnt believe them but they were very sure. so maybe every drug affects everyone different?

ive not seen anywhere before this that opiates had any stimulating effect though. maybe thought stimulating but not anything that would be described as an 'upper'

 

na man i have real difficulty with it. i lay there in like a state of half dreaming...really agitates me...im sure the stimulant effect comes from the dopamine release...i think it all depends on the person...x x x

 

they have there place..uppers at work...downers after and repeat







jk i haven't a clue about uppers.....scard of them tbh

 

haha i used to do that on a minor scale, would drink shitloads of coffee in the morning for school then smoke up every night, fucked with me after a while, not good.

 

me 2 lol...but benzos to sleep and pro plus (caffeine pills) to wake up for school...xxx

 

I hate to sleep on benzos. I like to stay awake and enjoy the relaxation. Of course, the only benzos I mess with are xanax, because valium and klonopin never did much for me and I've just never gotten my hands on anything else.