Stimulants are bad

exactly

 

Originally, I wasn't trying to justify being a pill popper. Its not a hobby, either, its something that I've done about six times in my entire life, and I've gone about two weeks without taking any kind of prescription medication. I'm not stupid, I don't put anything into my body without knowing what it does first. I spent a long time being sketchy about ever trying it, and read several experiences and effects on erowid.org(a very reliable site). I've never blacked out on anything, the only time I've blacked out was sober, due to dehydration. There is no evidence of "'x' chance of brain damage."

I was told the drugs were tricking me, and I was simply defending the fact that they weren't.

Let me restate: I was so into the music, and having so much fun, that I did not realize the time that had passed. "Time flies when you're having a good time." It's more like that, on adderall, I had so much fun I didn't know where the time went.

I think I'll go elsewhere on this message board, though. I didn't plan to start arguing with people, I was just stating an experience of mine with stimulants. But, it turned into three paragraph posts, which I'm tired of typing.

 

Typical answer from someone who thinks that popping pills is OK

Also a typical fifteen year old know it all...

You'll learn, bro.

 

umm... it's very rare that speed-induced music or poetry doesn't suck, Kerouac and Ginsberg come to mind... But they are right, you aren't any better with speed than without, it's just your mind tricking you. Kinda like how drunk's think they can sing... and don't try to counter with that you know that they aren't tricking you, cause it's impossible... y'see that's part of the 'trick', you not knowing...
It's kindof asking someone if they know they are delusional, it's impossible for them to answer, cause if they were delusional, by definition, they wouldn't know.

Adderal can be fun, but it gets old quick, and if you are one of the unfortunate unlucky ones who gets hooked, your life becomes pure hell (don't say it all has to do with 'will power', casue it don't, one of my best friend's into it really bad, and he had a force of will that would make neitzsche blush).

Don't play with that shit, it ain't worth it.

 

I don't really think drugs are good or bad, they just have certain effects on you which can be pleasurable, and in moderation is usually okay IMHO.

Addiction on the other hand, can be like the worst kind of hell.

 

Relative to what?

Amphetamines were synthesized in the 1800s.

Cowboy_Blue, you really have no idea what you are talking about. Amphetamine use is not as black and white as you are stating it is on here.

If you have any ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with the drug you would realize this.

 

i do have that experience. it nearly ruined me and my brilliant ex lost his fucking mind for a while. he was an artist. his music went to hell.

 

Yeah well lots of other things can cause psychosis also. Besides, amphetamine psychosis is not permanent, and doesnt happen to everyone who gets into speed.

It cant just be generalized as "bad" or "evil" with no good aspects. Yes, it does inspire creativity with some people. With other people, it might hurt their creativity. It does help people focus on academic tasks, who might normally have extreme difficulty doing so. There are many therapeutic, practical, and conceptual uses for the drug. Just because some people, who were likely unstable to begin with, lose control of their lives and/or minds after they lose control of their ability to dose properly, should not condemn all aspects of the drug for every person.

 

I was definitely unstable before I got spun out on amps. haha

Now, after that phase of life, I am a few years older and much more stable. Life goes on.

Unless the law fucks you permanently.

 

hey, i did great at first. to be honest, my current state of mental stability is due directly to cocaine helping me face ugly truths. but it didn't end there. it almost never does. i got out easy.

 

In the end it's a trade off. There will ALWAYS be negative effects from drugs, even if you choose not to see them. If you're taking them, you're bound to defend them (like I did), but it's only when you stop, go cold turkey, that you realise the difference it makes to your health and mentality.

I took speed twice (about 2/3 years ago), the first time was fine, I felt pretty great. The second time, well lets just say that although it's mild, the psychosis hasn't disappeard yet. I'll get short bursts of full on psychosis followed by an apathetic lull, then just as I'm coming back to reality it'll happen all over again. It's torcher.. I would do anything to go back and not take them.

They fuck up your life, and the problems that you claim they're helping to 'solve' are more than likely created and/or continued by the drugs you're taking. Druugs are bad, mmmk?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

I'm really too lazy to point out the other fallacies in your posts, but you are seriously full of shit man.

 

Lazy.

 

boston marathon runner dies from excessive water/fluid intake

http://www.remembercynthia.com/Hyponatremia_BostonGlobe.htm

 

Good point, but you misqouted me. I din't say all ilegal DRUGS were bad. I said illegal Stimulants were bad. I'm down with acid and pot. I've seen people chew up oxys like a 6-year old with candy. I actually was referring to Crystal Meth. For all who mentioned being on stimulant prescription ADHD meds, I used to take adderall (mixed sulfate amphetamine + dextroamphetamine), and ritalin (methylphenidate, not speed, but close) when I was VERY young. They have their good effects if your working a boring job, or sitting through a 3 hour lecture class in college. But 1. Adderall is Not the same thing as Methamphetamine 2. Any stimulant that increases the activity of dopamine and adrenaline in the brain has it's downmfalls, such as making people insane, or excaserbating already exsisting insanity. As well as bad cardiovascular effects on older people who take them. When I was taken off of these meds at age 17 (I'm 22 now), I started freakin out, callin docs askin to be back on them, now i'm wiser, less naive, and realize that I'm better off without that shit. I'd rather eat some doses (LSD, NOT doses of prescription meds), or sip on a brew, than resort to something that will damge my brain.

 

I'm gonna take that piece by piece. SRV rocks. i just posted about his guitar talent a few weeks ago. I know he was a coke-head (isn't that what killed him though?). I don't really like The Beatles. John never took coke or meth. he was just a pot-head, pill-head (including uppers in their early day) acid-head for a while, and later heroin addict. Janis Joplin was aswome. I like her stuff with the Cozmic Blues band better than Big Brother and The holding Company though. Drugs took her life, and she was a fairly nice-looking woman too (I mean that). I don't listen to much nirvana. Cobaine was a self-centered mentally ill, manic depressive nutcase that couldn't even play the guitar too well. I LOVE Jimi. He did a little coke, and might have taken uppers, but never did meth (he died before meth exsisted). The Doors SUCK. Drugs killed Morrison. I don't really like FLoyd anymore, but I respect their music. I never thought they did any stimulants. Actually other than Syd Barret, i didn't think the rest of them did many hard drugs AT ALL (despite their tripped out music and image, Pink Floyd without Barret were not heavily into drugs). The Grateful Dead are my favorite band ever. Yeah Jerry was a coke-head, and prolly took speed, but I can exscuse him, just cause he was Jerry, and The Dead fuckin rock. Mabye that shit helped him play guitar better? And plus he died of a heart attack at a drug-treatment facicilty, and when he actually died he was sober. Of coke and heroin, coke is more ascosciated with heart attacks than heroin. H will make yer heart straight up just slow down and stop, but that's painless. A heart attack has more to do with narrowed coronary arteries. H is as vasodiltor (it opens blood vessels up), coke is a vasoconstrictor, it makes them narrower.

 

all your points were valid .....but still so was mine
that not all drug induced music is crap.....
and since were mostly in agreement ill leave it there

 

Come on man, nobody likes quitters.

 

I have stopped using all prescription drugs, 3 I really had abuse problems with. Adderall, opiates, and benzos.

Now I just smoke too much still, and have the occasional brewage. Nothing life altering.

 

Find me one documented case of lung cancer, or even emphyzema from smoking cannabis. Then I will reconsider your comment.