Still So many unbelievers on the virus

Look, you don't have to be an expert or mill around google for very long, at all really, to know an executive order isn't the same as a state law

Because if that were true, you wouldn't need the state legislature, just get the governor to issue an executive order for every damn thing

It was an idiotic thing to say in the first place. In this case, no, I wouldn't have bothered copying and pasting info for you either, it's us doing the work you should be doing to educate yourself

 

Seems to me you're the one in the hole. As as a general rule, when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

 

You are trying to explain logic to an ape....

 

You're confusing state law with legislation. That's layman's thinking. Did you ever hear of common law? The courts enforce it every day. What legislature made that? Law is: A body of rules of conduct of binding legal force and effect, prescribed, recognized, and enforced by controlling authority.law Once again, in the words of Harvard Law Professor I. Glenn Cohen: "Statutes passed by legislatures are what most people think of when one says ‘laws,’ but from a lawyer’s point of view, a common-law decision by a judge, a regulation, or an action by the governor would all qualify broadly as ‘the law." James G. Hodge Jr., director of the Center for Public Health Law and Policy at Arizona State University, " Laws can be derived from a constitution, a statute, a regulation, case law, "or orders implemented through legal means, including emergency powers invoked by governors." PolitiFact - Are stay-at-home orders 'laws,' as Jay Inslee said? I'm Right. You're wrong. Get used to it.

 

You are a very supportive like buddy, I hope he appreciates such loyalty

 

Oh, I do. It's refresing to encounter clear-thinking people from time to time.

 

Speaking of way out of context, none of the Ohio statutory provisions quoted have any bearing on the issue at hand. No state constitution grants power to create law by edict, but the Ohio governor, like others, has inherent power to act under State emergency law provisions, which he's done. If you think he's exceeded his authority, why don't you sue him? And while you're at it, why don't you challenge Trump's more than a dozen executive orders. As for our "rights", the courts have upheld broad authority to curtail individual rights in the interest of public health and safety. Pandemic Authority - ABA Legal Fact Check - American Bar Association
Compagnie Francaise &c. v. Board of Health, 186 U.S. 380 (1902)
Most such claims are subject to "rational basis" review under the state police power--except for those involving religious, race/ethnicity or gender discrimination, which are given "strict scrutiny".

 

Which reminds me,

How many fines has your particular state, province or whatever actually handed out (I'm asking everyone), and what is the likelihood any of them will get paid?

Covid restriction fines that is


Here in Aus, unless it's attached to an arrestable warrant, you just don't pay the fine, and nothing really happens

They may all just get wiped in the future once the panic settles down

Asking, because I recently learned Victoria has handed out 650, I don't live in Victoria, live in NSW, but Victorian police here have been presented as being the harshest

Lots of dramatic headlines. But 650 fines for a population of 6.4 Million means only 0.01% of the population has even been fined for breaking restrictions, no where near enough to achieve shit

 

My state has no mandatory mask requirement, and also is the first state whose (Republican) governor has contracted the virus. My local government has enacted a mask ordinance. Those refusing to wear a face covering in public areas may face prosecution under criminal trespass, disturbing the peace, disorderly conduct or similar offenses as circumstances warrant. Places of public accommodation willfully failing to enforce the requirements may face "regulatory or civil action as appropriate". So far, compliance seems to be remarkably effective. Then again, we seem to be a law abiding community. I don't know of any individual who's been prosecuted for not wearing a mask, but they won't get into Walmart without one.

 

this virus thing must only exist on the internet and media now. I dont encounter anything outside my home. the roads are packed with traffic. maybe there is a small fraction of restaurants and bars closed. they bitching about schools closed..

this also the society that cant drive in the snow or survive 35mins without a cell phone..

virus-smirish..

 

I find it amusing you choose a meme where the Boomer is lecturing and the 30 something is yeah whatever

 

"You must be an idiot"

 

You should know. YOU were the one who quoted them originally, and I looked them up. Emergency or not, our rights may NOT be suspended regardless of any emergency or even suspension of the constitution. I stand by my statements.

I agree. Walmart has a long line for people waiting to get in here, and they don't want you in there without one. Again, I'm not in there long enough for it to be a problem to me yet, but I find it very disturbing to see all these signs falsely citing a "law" that doesn't exist and Dewine himself admits he can't force anyone to obey. People will find a way to tolerate a lot of crap from their government, especially if it's "just a little at a time"....

 

BAAAAHAHAHAA!!! I find it hilarious that a primate has more understanding of how "law" works here in the USA than Tosh.

Tosh first cited a section of the ORC that only applies to roads, highways and bridges and is useless for these discussions.
Then he cites some blather from a fool that thinks executive orders and judges decisions are law.
Nobody is obligated to obey an unconstitutional act, and nobody is obligated to enforce it.
Courts are run by judges.
Judges render opinions and decisions, but cannot create law by judicial fiat anymore than a governor can by executive fiat.
Precedent is not law. Just because something is done or gotten away with for a long time doesn't make it law or right.
"May be" is not nearly the same as "IS" and could just as easily be construed as "may not be".
Our constitutions, federal and state, are not just important for what they say; they are also important for what they DON'T say.
All of our written laws are also important for what they do or don't say.

Tosh needs a serious re-education on civics and constitutional law here.

I probably would never know all this, but for the fact that I've actually read the Internal Revenue Code, also known as 26USC and which I have a copy of, as well as much of 18USC, also known as The United States Criminal Code. I doubt many of our elected officials have or have read much of either. For what it's worth, I also have a copy of The Federalist Papers here, which is also good reading. In addition, I have and heartily recommend a copy of America's God And Country, which is packed with quotes from our nation's founders and elected officials.

You are welcome. Back to OP....

 

No fines levied yet, but they’re coming this fall when the second wave hits in September

$1,000 dollars for not quarantining, and $100 Dollars for not wearing a mask.

The only fines imposed so far involved businesses who refused to follow the states guidelines. There was one idiot who refused
to close his gym until the state turned off his water, his electricity, and padlocked the door.

 

Oklahoma has over 24,000 cases (including the Governor), and 445 deaths. This is just a fraction of Pennsylvania's, but our population is smaller. We've had a surge in Tulsa and Oklahoma City, and also in Guymon and

Your rights are essentially what the constitution and courts say they are, and none of them are absolute. There is no right that is not subject to state restriction under the police power to make regulations that are reasonably necessary to protect public health and safety.

 

The reason this signifies your ignorance is that our constitution doesn't say what our rights are. It does list a few of them, and it does say that the few powers not delegated to the federal government are reserved to the states or to the people. It also says we the people have the power to retain whatever rights we choose to retain, and government is forbidden to infringe upon them. Nowhere in the constitution is any branch of government given any authority to determine what our rights are. The constitution is a limitation on government power, and not on the people. Government was and remains limited by the constitution. Even the incorrectly-misnamed "bill of rights" says in cold hard print that it is a "Bill of Further Limitations" on government power and authority.

Haven't you read any of these things? Or were you raised in communist california?

 

No, Oklahoma. You tell us the Constitution "also says we the people have the power to retain whatever rights we choose to retain, and government is forbidden to infringe upon them." Where, pray tell, does it "say" that? You can fantasize about inalienable rights as you please, but it won't get you far in the world of law. A legal right is "a claim recognizable and enforceable at law." [In re estate of Follwell, 68 N.J. Eq. 728, 731 (N.J. 1905)]. "we the people" can act through our elected representatives, and through the constitutional amendment process can establish whatever rights we can muster support for. Otherwise, we must rely on the courts to define and limit our rights.

Although the Ninth Amendment speaks of "unenumerated rights", their nature is contingent on judicial definition. Thus far, the courts have recognized a very narrow range of these: the right to privacy concerning the practice of birth control, a woman's right to abort a fetus, and the right to marry a same-sex partner. However, Justice Scalia, in his dissenting opinion in Troxof v. Granville (2000) argued that the Constitution's talk of unenumerated rights is "far removed from from authorizing judges to identify what they might be..." Your fringe ideas about your rights have yet to find a footing in the law. The due process clauses of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments have been interpreted to contain certain unenumerated "fundamental rights" to interstate travel, parenting of one's children, privacy in decisions concerning procreation and marriage, and self-defense.

It is the business of the courts to determine what our rights are, and they do so every day. I think it's unlikely you'll find much judicial or scholarly support for the unenumerated right not to wear a mask during a pandemic.

 

First off this pandemic is a scam because no scientific standards are being followed by fauci or the CDC.

The one fact about the corona virus is that the corona virus has been genetically modified.and this fact is ignored or disputed.

The scientist who received the Nobel prize for his discovery of the role of the HIV virus to AIDS published that the HIV envelope has been added to the corona virus. He said this is impossible to have been natural because the two virus are not from the same line.he said the Corina virus was genetically modified.another researcher had found HIV in the corona virus.but they retracted their paper when they were threatened with physical harm.nevertheless another researcher found the the HIV segment occurred in 2 separate spots on the genome and then these 2 segments united.he stated this was impossible for a natural mutation.

There is a tool to genetically engineer viruses. One is called a pShuttle vector.it carries a payload of genes to be inserted into the target virus.it is a basic tool and can be purchased for 75$ shipped in bacteria as agar stab.during the process the pShuttle leaves behind a code,a fingerprint of the genetic modification.this finger print is found in the corona virus.

There are many other indications of genetic modification.so many that researchers have concluded that"either the corona virus was genetically engineered,or the science establishment is going to have to throw out the entire field of genomic research and claim it is not real"
Yet the CDC quack Fauci and the MSM ignore or deny the corona virus is a genetically modified bioweapons.
Below is the website I have posted all the research that show unequivocally that the corona virus has been genetically modified.
Linda-goodman.com -spider forums corona virus:weaponized virus

As I said everything published about the corona virus rates of mortality were false ,though recently the mortality rates are closer
to truth.
There are 2 types.a S type that is mild and the L type that can kill you