Still So many unbelievers on the virus

Discussion in 'Latest News' started by travelguy61, Jul 2, 2020.

  1. travelguy61

    travelguy61 Supporters HipForums Supporter

    I travel alot and run into so many that still think all this virus stuff is a hoax. And want social distance or wear a mask. Tell that to the more then 100,000 families that have lost loved ones. I would think common decency or just plan respect for your fellow man would make you think about doing the right thing. It's such an easy thing to do, social distance, wash your hands and wear a mask. It's such a little thing to do, until they get a handle on this and a vaccine. I want all things to open up and everyone back to work like we all want. But I don't want that to cost someone there life. It has worked in other countries. It's such a little thing to ask for, to get things back to as normal as we can get it. I'm no doctor or scientist so I will take there word for it, and do my part.
     
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  2. Running Horse

    Running Horse A Buddha in hiding from himself

    Well no worries lad, if they're on the virus they likely won't be around much longer
     
  3. But how many others will they infect with their stupidness?
     
  4. Irminsul

    Irminsul Valkyrie

    Stupid's in the water these days, y'all gonna drink it anyways until y'all don't know right from wrong.
     
  5. Orison

    Orison my dog is full of stars Lifetime Supporter

    It was cute in March..
     
  6. wilsjane

    wilsjane Members

    I have posted on this subject about a dozen time already, but people can't seem to grasp the fact that almost all deaths are as a result of a bacterial infection, often triggered by a virus, leading to septicemia and then death.
    Needless to say, when a body is weakened by conditions such as cancer or diabetes, the life expectancy falls.

    More than half of these infections are cured these days the first few times around, which has resulted in a 30 year increase in life expectancy over the last 50 years.

    Covid 19 follows the same pattern, and as such is not causing more additional deaths than many previous flue epidemics here in the UK.
    However, the moment that the health services are overwhelmed, the death rate could easily double this year as a direct result of the lack of ICU beds and qualified staff to run them.

    Covid 19 is with us to stay. Destroying it would be like trying to rid the entire planet of mosquitoes or rats.
    As long as we use common sense and slow the spread down, few additional people will die. Meanwhile, we will develop shared immunity and a workable vaccine will be developed.

    While we were horrified at the news of 1,000 people dying every day at the first peak, no one was telling us that 1,500 people die every day in the UK, peaking to 2,000 at certain times of the year. Therefore, which virus was starting the process was of little importance.

    At this moment in time, with all the restrictions, I strongly suspect that our daily death rate is running below average.
    It is only by standing back that you can see the full complexity of the situation.
    Do we all want to carry on as we are today, in exchange for a few more years of life. I don't have any answers to that one.
     
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    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

  8. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

  9. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    This problem is mostly an American one and it is because the conservative sees caring for others as socialism and an attack on their rights.Did you have a kid in your grade school who was an annoying little shit who did it all because "it's a free country"? They grew up into Fox news viewers. Freedom is not a collective agreement to help each other while respecting things like free speech it's a free for all. There was also people who cut the seat belts from their cars in the 60's. That too was socialism and even to this day you have stupid right wingers who will drive for years with that seat belt chime going off because they refuse to let the goverment set rules for them. Death is a better option. I have personally seen this. You would think the chime would get annoying but not as annoying as submitting I guess.

    I am really thankful to live someplace where you respect others and I live with someone who was very upset to have to watch old men die with no family. It's not a hoax and it really speaks to the arrogance of the American conservative that they would think all of this would be done just to fool little old them.


    Almost like it actuly is a complex problem that does not care about American politics. You would think if it was fake some smart right wing news source would blow the lid off the story don't you think? Instead it's a bunch of "but I don't want to what's good for others".

    The bodies keep piling up and they are mostly in places with views like yours.

    More like let's not go outside until the medical system can handle us and I could do that right now because my country actuly listened for a few months. It's just you guys who have made no progress. Will you learn anything?
     
  10. wilsjane

    wilsjane Members

    That is because we have developed immunity, in addition to the following years flue vaccine containing antibodies against the virus.
    Without a host, over a period, a virus can become extinct, but we cannot kill it with a bottle of spray.

    I personally think that corona 19 mutated in parts of China that were so remote that it got a huge 'head start' before it spread, thus leaving us playing 'catch up'.
    This has happened in the past when viruses mutated in Africa, but they do not have such vast numbers of people living together in conditions where hygiene is so poor.
     
  11. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    A lot of people are going to die or develop permanent health issues, but eventually we'll build an immunity to covid-19 and vaccines will become available. Hopefully then we'll be better prepared to deal with covid-26, covid-35, covid-44, etc.

    BTW the virus has hit home. My Aunt Edith who was in her 90s and in a nursing home died of it last week.
     
  12. Sorry about your aunt, newo. The reason the US leads the world in Covid-19 is because of failure of out half-assed president to put the country's needs above his need to be reelected. And as unfocused pointed out, it is the "arrogance of the American conservative that they would think all of this would be done just to fool little old them." Trump has allowed that 20 to 30% of the American population to crawl out from under their rocks and show their true selves. Barring Republican corruption an interference from Russia and China (again) in November the real American spirit will vote and push them back underground where they belong.
     
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  13. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    I hadn't seen my Aunt in several years, but still her death has made me think. If things continue this way then it won't be long before nearly everyone knows someone who has gotten sick or died from covid. Maybe then the unbelievers will believe.

    We need to accept that this disease is going to be with us for quite a while, and a lot of people are going to die. If you catch it, then it's a crap shoot, you might have no symptoms, you might get sick and recover, or you might die.

    Still, with all the new spikes in infections, I still don't want to go back into lockdown. I'll take my chances, though I'm in a fairly high-risk group. I'm just over 65 and my doctor says I'm at risk for diabetes. On the other hand I got a pneumonia shot back in October, and while it's not made for coronavirus pneumonia, it does boost your defense against it, though doctors can't tell you how much it helps, it varies a lot. I've also lost weight, been getting some exercise and been taking multi vitamins. I have a stock of cold & flu medicine if I do get sick, and will see a doctor if I have trouble breathing or get a fever of 102. I suppose I should update my will, just to cover all the bases.

    So let's hang in there and face the fact that it's a different reality we're living in for now. And someday we'll look back on all this and say, "That really sucked!"
     
  14. Yes, about 100,000 people died of it last year


    Hong Kong flu was the H3N2 strain, one of the main 4 that's usually in your flu vaccine. Depending on your area. It never went away


    "Seasonal influenza kills an estimated 36,000 people in the United States each year. Flu vaccines are based on predicting which "mutants" of H1N1, H3N2, H1N2, and influenza B will proliferate in the next season. Separate vaccines are developed for the Northern and Southern Hemispheres in preparation for their annual epidemics. In the tropics, influenza shows no clear seasonality. In the past ten years, H3N2 has tended to dominate in prevalence over H1N1, H1N2, and influenza B. Measured resistance to the standard antiviral drugs amantadine and rimantadine in H3N2 has increased from 1% in 1994 to 12% in 2003 to 91% in 2005."
     
  15. wilsjane

    wilsjane Members

    Take care and do not deliberately put yourself at risk. Taking vitamins in correct doses never does any harm. Also, a shock dose (500mg) of vitamin C for 2 days is a big help at the onset of a cold.
    Unfortunately, in diabetics, the trauma of a virus can also lead to renal failure, on top of the respiratory problems.
    NHS UK, are currently running a huge program advising people to take paracetamol and ibuprofen at the onset of any viral symptoms. Preventing fever seems to be the best option. Never bother with the expensive versions of these medications, they may work about 5 minutes sooner, but other than that and with ongoing dosage they are a complete scam.
    Also, avoid antibiotics unless they are prescribed by a specialist. You need to keep the option open, in case you require ICU ventilation.
     
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  16. newo

    newo Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

    Paracetamol, aka acetaminophen, is available in Tylenol, Advil, Nyquil and Dayquil, and of course in store brands of medicine. Ibuprofen while good for aches and pains is not very effective with fever, so acetaminophen is the better option.
     
  17. Yes, take the precautions, that's the best risk management.

    Do you actually know anyone personally who's got it? I ask, because I don't. I've "heard" of all these people but haven't actually seen anyone. I'm not doubting it exists but I do tend to doubt just exactly how deadly it is. Notice they're not giving us all the numbers. They're not bringing up the numbers of total deaths last month versus last month a year ago, for instance. I don't know why the information isn't more forthcoming. Too much unknown, they're not telling us the whole truth, and the stories keep changing. Obviously, it's not "simple" at any level.

    What kind of life was she living? Why was she in a nursing home? Would the "common flu" have possibly taken her? Was she perhaps "ready to go" anyway? Meaning her condition and state of mind. When did you see her last?

    I don't want to be insensitive but there's tons of people teetering at the edge of transition. Many are looking forward to it, they say. Personally, I would prefer to transition than to "exist" in a nursing home.
     
  18. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment


    Then why are you being insensitive if you don't want to be?
     
  19. Idlewild

    Idlewild Members

    The way I see it, it's better to be a little inconvenienced for a year or maybe even two than to fuckin' die.

    But that's just me.
     
  20. Me too. I'm 74 and not ready to leave this mortal coil, especially from someone who is too stupid to wear a simple mask. I spend a week in a nursing home following hip surgery. If I get sick, I'll just die at home rather than to back.
     

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