....still considered vegetarian?

Discussion in 'Vegetarian' started by sunshine_daydream07, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. I became a vegetarian a little over a year ago. I am not completely vegan because it's too hard living at home [although I hope to be some day]. At first I did not eat any meat or fish, but recently have eaten tuna and shrimp. But I started thinking like, I still eat dairy products like yogurt and cheese [I drink soymilk because i really dont like milk], and I eat eggs if they are in something [my mom got me fake eggs now or something like that?] But I was wondering, would I still be considered a vegetarian because I eat fish and certain dairy products? :&
     
  2. greenryder

    greenryder Member

    Just looked it up, and this is what I found:

    LINK


    I don't consider myself a Vegetarian, mainly because I still eat Fish & dairy products
     
  3. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

    I'd say dairy products/eggs are vegetarian, because animals are not harmed in their obtaining (although with intensive farming animals are)
     
  4. myself

    myself just me

    Dairy products are not a problem for vegetarians.

    But fish... hmmm... pescatarians (that group of vegetarians which only eat fish meat) are really controversial and generally not accepted by the vegetarians who don't eat any meat.
     
  5. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Lifetime Supporter

    from the FAQ here:
    Distinctions in the veggie world:
    The most common tags to describe various vegetarian diets are:
    lacto-ovo (consumes milk and eggs), Lacto- (milk, no eggs), Ovo- (eggs, no milk), vegan (no animal or insect byproducts, usually including honey).
    Sub divisions include but are not limited to: fruitarian (only eats regenerative parts of a plant: seeds, fruit, some harvested leaves) raw vegan (food is never heated above 160 F)

    People pursuing the veggie diet who still eat fish, poultry or any other flesh are still omnivores.
    We support your journey, but we might not teach you the secret handshake. :p
     
  6. drumminmama

    drumminmama Super Moderator Lifetime Supporter

    in strict senses, a fish eater is omni.
    Shrimp seems to me to be wasteful. who eats ONE shrimp?
    each one was an independent living entity. eating a steak, or burger allows more people to "sustain life" (I'm leaving out my argument that flesh is mostly unnecessary for humans for the moment) on one animals life.
    eating shrimp, crabs, oysters etc causes so much more death.
     
  7. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

    Yeah, that's why I stopped with the fish.
     
  8. ImHydrogen

    ImHydrogen Member

    while dairy/eggs are vegetaian, you are greatly misinformed if you believe no animals are harmed in their obtaining. Ever see crippled dairy cows hooked up to machines pumping milk out of their udders? chickens crammed into tiny cages, pooping on each other forced to pump out eggs. And when these animals pass peak production they end up at the slaughterhouse. I don't mean to be a vegangelical but there is undeniable animal cruelty involved in dairy/eggs.
     
  9. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

    Look at my post again mate: "(although with intensive farming animals are)"

    you even quoted it lol, you described intensive farming there, which is what I said hurts animals. Hehe.
     
  10. thanks everyone for responding to this! actually when i first stopped eating meat i didnt eat fish either..you have inspired me to stop again:) !as for the dairy products, it would be hard for me not to eat any dairy, considering the fact that i highly doubt my mom is going to buy everything special for me [if that makes sense]:huh: . if i was buying my own food i wouldnt buy anything that was truely dairy. i dont drink milk so i guess that's a start!
     
  11. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

    *high five* nice going. So long as you stick to free range eggs you can be pretty much guilt free anyway
     
  12. Willy_Wonka_27

    Willy_Wonka_27 Surrender to the Flow

    ever heard the saying "question everything"? you have to investigate everything, because knowledge is power. unless you can actually see the farm the "free range" chickens are coming from then how do you know the chickens are doing any better than battery chickens.

    here a link that explains how very simmilar free range is to battery. and there is a video on the end of the page too
    http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange1.html
    http://www.peacefulprairie.org/freerange2.html
    the only difference is farmers dont have to waste money on cages.

    and its the same for dairy cows too... :(
     
  13. Finnaz

    Finnaz Champagne Socialist

    Yeah I knew about that, which is one of the main reasons I'm trying to go vegan. However, not sure about the U.S, but we have a ratings system on eggs here where:

    3=Battery 2=Barn (what that article talks about) 1= Free Range 0=Woodland/Organic (chickens feed naturally in woodland areas, and the farms that produce these chickens will almost always have only at least free range chickens)

    Cows are still an altogether different matter however, there's honestly no real way of telling whether milk is from a free range or intensively reared cow. You can usually assume that if it's mass produced, it's more likely to be intensive, but it's not definite. We have a red tractor logo, but that is essentially meaningless.
     

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