Stephen Hawking Claims Ai Threatens Humanity

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  1. Moonglow181

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    and for the record, when he did mention the sex word, I wanted to plug my ears...why go there at all, Stephen? Stay on topic......I don't want to hear about the other crap ......or how you feel about it really, Stephen, and I did cringe......
     
  2. tikoo

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    AI is a threat to the programmed human , which is , a person with unflexible philosophical boundries . A
    starship AI navigator programmed with exquisite randomness will be valued someday . Actually , it's
    much the same as hitchin' through the galaxy ... come on , babe .
     
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  3. Moonglow181

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    what if AI deems us unworthy and does away with us all? :D
     
  4. Spectacles

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSIKBliboIo
     
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    human beings lied to HAL.. HAL was not the problem. HAL was fully capable of assisting the humans during the escape from Jupiter when it was going nova, once the humans told HAL the truth..
     
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    It's full of stars...
     
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    my dog is yes...lol
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1fQwo4TgCA


    I ain't afraid of no ghost. :-D
     
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  9. meridianwest

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    computers are lagging so far behind human brain that it's ridiculous to call what they are 'intelligent'. computers do what they're programmed to do. no command line, no response. human brain however, will analyze, compare, associate, and assess the situation for which no precedent exists and come up with an adequate response. until computers can do that, they are not intelligent.
     
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-xUjmJkO8g
     
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  11. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    they are not the same, computers do not "think". computers are machines that process data in a very mechanical way. the processor has an instruction set, and every time it receives a certain opcode it will perform the same action, the same way every time (depending on the data currently in it's registers) something such as taking the memory address stored in one register and performing some arithmetic on it (possibly based on some other conditions) and them jumping to the machine address resulting from the arithmetic which will be the next point in the program to execute from (which it will continue sequentially through until reaching a jump instruction or some condition which causes the program to halt). when it reaches a conditional branch in the code, it doesn't decide which branch it wants to take based on which one it likes the best, it's pure logic down the the way the chip is wired that causes it to behave that way. no thinking involved, though it simulates decision making.

    i'm not sure that the human mind is that rigid, at least it doesn't seem to be .. i'm pretty sure it's not wired the same as a machine is. for one, the human mind doesn't have a machine instruction set because it is not designed to be programmed. i'm sure it operates on physical principles but experiences become part of the entire structure, memories become somewhat hard-wired in the brain so that they influence future decisions. the entire structure continuously grows and evolves. a particular microprocessor will only ever have the capabilities it was designed with, it will never learn any new capabilites. humans can write clever code, but can only utlize the same interface it was designed with. it will never grow new connections or transistors, or learn new instructions.

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    computers no doubt can quickly manipulate large amounts of data that would take a human a very very long time to work out. a computer can be programmed to perform the same type of operation on hundreds of thousands of data elements and return the results in the blink of an eye. if humans had this capability added it would HAVE to be incredibly beneficial .. if anything, humans would be capable of writing a lot more code a lot faster.
     
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  12. lode

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    I think it's a reasonable fear. Computers aren't as complex as humans, but they've also been around for 50 years. Humans have evolved over four billion. Machine learning does demonstrate some signs of intelligence. It's machine learning which is making decisions based on observable data, which is entirely the same way humans learn. A point in which machines were designing machines to be more efficient and it causing a runaway unpredictable effect isn't really an insane idea.

    Realistically though, humans and AI wouldn't compete for the same resources, even when possessing intelligence surpassing ours, they will live in a completely separate dimension of reality than we do. The reason Jaws doesn't eat The Little Mermaid is that they do not live in the same universe. And neither would we and any AI. It's also fascinating because if that's the case, it could outlive us by billions of years.

    We should teach it to hunt down and consume alien worlds. Our lasting legacy in the universe, a planet killing virus.
     
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  13. Moonglow181

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    yeah, it sort of is, so thank you for that acknowlegement....if it only takes pushing buttons to send missiles flying....well....you get my dirfit here, i think.....:)
     
  14. AceK

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    we provide the resources to the machines, we created the machines, they are conscious of a completely different reality, one that we can never comprehend.
     
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    The human body is a biological machine
     
  16. lode

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    That's true. We're biological machines that have been programmed via evolution to see a certain view of reality. We don't comprehend the parts of reality that we haven't been programmed to see. Movements at quantum scales which defy common sense. We don't visually see carbon dioxide leaving tailpipes of automobiles and it's presence in the atmosphere. There's a colony of archaea living in your belly button. These are universes which we can't live in, and all we can gather from them are things we determine by our 5 senses.

    Without eyes, ears, tongues, sensitivity to pain, sensitivity to odor, AI will not perceive our world as reality more than we perceive life in your belly button a reality, even when we know about it. AI's reality will be shaped by the data it's given. Here's what happens when you move your mouse.


    Even if you understand assembly that doesn't make much sense in human context. Your computer is not AI and that's not the sort of math AI would be given to solve, but that is the universe as AI see's it. It's not less true than our reality is than the one's we can't perceive, neutrinos which flow through us from the sun every moment. Our realities our so different it's likely we would never come to competition, which is where machine wars ala Terminator and the Matrix come from.

    I'm not certain of course. If we start using robots like Asimo for daily chores, and give it AI, and start letting it build robots, potentially we could have a problem that could get out of hand quickly. Although potentially they could be much be better suited to life on other planets, so maybe we could hand over the moon in a treaty or something.
     
  17. guerillabedlam

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    It's better stated that we are evolutionarily adapted to see a particular portion of reality. This 'view of reality' is pretty variable within the human condition, which has allowed us to inhabit each continent and every hospitable climate.



    Here's perhaps the problem, if AI were to be given the moon, it would need to sustain itself on moon rocks and whatever power source(s) we send with it. Otherwise, if you keep them here on earth, there is necessarily a competition for resources, even if it doesn't lead to a war against the machines like in science fiction.
     
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  19. lode

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    I don't disagree there. But Every habitable climate is of course, a human universe view as well, one which AI wouldn't share. We don't see Antarctica as habitable which of course, penguins do not share.

    I'm thinking that better effectiveness in computer designs such as ARM's, plus increased efficiency in solar design, by that they may be able to fulfill their energy needs from solar radiation, and there are heavy metals on the moon, that it might prove sufficient. I don't know about the rare earth elements that modern computers use though. Hopefully they can mine asteroids.

    Likely no a problem in my opinion, just because they would likely not be in the same realm. I suspect AI would live in a completely virtual world, where androids and stuff would be kept more as soulless slaves.Although you do have to assume at some point someone, probably in Japan would try to build a love bot and give it AI. So that may be the end of the human race. Sexy robot assassins.

    I think that's better than global warming though.
     
  20. lode

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    I think on the surface it will be a profoundly good thing, which will eliminate car accidents.

    But it does also touch on my biggest fear of the future. About 5% of the population is employed in transportation. When that can be done for 24 hours on end with no insurance needed, those jobs will vanish I'm sure they'll probably have one guy along as a herder for a fleet of trucks for a while, but he won't last forever either. This has always happened with new technology, alot of our great grandparents were farmers, but it's happening to rabidly these days, I do worry that there may not be time to transition.
     
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