States wanting to Secede from the USA

Bal's on-topic. You're evading.

 

Indie is usually the one who steers wide of the topic, but then when there's something he can't answer, he crows about sticking to the topic and ignores the issue at hand. Even if it's squarely on topic.

 

The right has 'practiced obfuscation' down to a tee.






Carry on------

 

I answer the questions asked, but if you don't like or agree with the answer, that's your problem.

 

Yes, I know it's the Cato Institute, isn't it?

 

That's what happens when the Left makes it a practice to redefine words to mean something different than they originally meant. It's not just the U.S. Constitution, but also the dictionary, that has become a living document. Communication is much easier when all the involved understand the words being used with the same definition.


And what was the topic of this thread anyway?

 

^ You're confusing the nature of "the left" with the nature of language.

If you prefer an unchanging language, try Latin

Just going where I'm lead.

 

Actually, I do make use of Latin on a frequent basis in the work I'm doing.

Only a fool would willingly follow someone over a cliff, and I'm not a Lemming. Thanks for the offer, but I'll just watch.

 

Are you leading us over a cliff?

 

Whoever you're following most certainly isn't me, I avoid cliffs.

 

Indie

But if you knew anything about history and language you’d know that the meanings of words can change getting new definitions and meanings. Also context can change meaning - for example in politics what is defined as being left wing or right wing can change in accordance to a persons political views or over time.

So that is why explanation within debate is so important, the problem here is that you often seem unwilling and unable to debate in an honest way or give clear explanation of your thinking.

Instead you just seem to repeat assertions over and over as if you were getting paid to do so.

 

Bal,

About all you argue for regardless of the thread topic is a more powerful centralized socialistic form of government which is unacceptable to me and a few others on this forum.

How fitting that I found it necessary to point that out in this thread in particular.

 

Bal,

Oh, and in the other thread, which you closed after having the last word, the facts I was referring to are the figures provided by the government related to the spending on the programs relating to the thread topic, year by year, which are made available by the government, both in estimate form and actual spending when available.

 

Indie

We have been through this many many many many many times – what I want is good governance – I want societies that are fairer and better to live in, places that give a reasonable opportunity, to all the habitants, of having a healthy and fulfilled life. Places were people are more likely to realise their potential.

This seems reasonable and rational because it would seem totally irrational and unreasonable to actually want to live in a society where things were more unfair and many people’s lives were worse.

Your goals then seem very irrational and deeply unreasonable to me because you do seem to want a more unfair society where the potential of the disadvantaged are stifled a place where you would happily let people who have fallen into hardship through no fault of their own suffer or even die from want

 

Indie

Sorry indie I didn’t close it and have now opened it for you.

 

You want 'good governance'.

Is it your position that there is only one form of governance that is good? It begins to sound like you are supportive of a 'one world' government, are you?

 

Actually that was unnecessary as it seems there is little difference between what is posted no matter what the thread topic reads.

 

Indie

Again you prefer to misrepresent than to enter into honest debate.

I’m unsure what you mean by 'one world' government.?

Try reading -

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=1065277&postcount=1

And this

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=1065281&postcount=2

 

You accuse me of not answering your questions, when about the only answer I can get from you is one like "I want to make the world a better place to live."

You claimed you want 'good governance', and without telling what good governance is. I'm asking for a description of it, and how it would be applied.

 

"The government is best which governs least" Thomas Jefferson