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Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by Fluffernutter, Jul 11, 2009.

  1. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    you'll be missed here.
     
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  2. la Principessa

    la Principessa Member since '08

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    I feel like a lot of Christians use their label as an excuse for praise without having to actually do the work of being a good person. "Oh he wouldn't do that, he's a Christian" "But sir, he murdered 20 people!" "Oh but he asked for forgiveness from God"

    No. You don't get to be absolved by a force you don't know exists without having to make amends with people you have hurt. You don't get to use a label to say you're a good person. You say, hello my name is so and so and you prove that you're decent by doing decent things over time. Do the work and stop using labels as a crutch.

    I see it so much as of late with all of the Trump lovers. A Christian could never be a bad person. A soldier can never be a bad person. If you badmouth them then you're unpatriotic and a heretic. Why is it that people can't judge people on a case by case basis anymore?
     
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  3. Beach Ball Lady Balls

    Beach Ball Lady Balls Banned

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    Feelings are irrelevant. Democrats aren’t the good guys. Republicans aren’t all christians, some are athiests, some are Muslim, some are jewish, etc... come from all walks of life,

    liberals, democrats who are extremists, very vocal remind me of the pink Floyd song in the flesh.

     
  4. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Sounds a lot like the No true Scotsman fallacy
     
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  5. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    the part all religions get right, is that it is our own egos, ultimately, that screw up everything for ourselves and each other.

    the part all religions get wrong, is that fauwning over some hierarchy, real or imagined, as ever might be,
    which is still our egos to pretend we know anything about it, will some magically how, make it all better.
     
  6. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    and how is that a "fallacy"? your invisible friend may be able to forgive every harm, real or imagined, but doing so, can never unharvest what you have already sowen.
     
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  7. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    having been made by virtual or even real slave labour, so that 'christian' off the wall mart, can sell it cheap, may just have a teeny tiny something to do with that crap quality.
    worshiping symbolic value gives us shiny paint jobs to hide rust and plastic, that reveal their true lack of quality soon after removal from their wasteful and excessive packaging.
     
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  8. Gul Dukat

    Gul Dukat Kanar, anyone?

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    I don't think that's what he meant.
     
  9. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    being as i only imagined the reference rather then being familiar with it, you're probably right.
    still think i was making a valid point, even if it wasn't accurately targetted as a response.

    (er, which one? six eyed or failexx?)
     
  10. Gul Dukat

    Gul Dukat Kanar, anyone?

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    Six.
     
  11. Adamskiffle

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    I think really confident kids always turn out to be wrong uns!!!!!
     
  12. la Principessa

    la Principessa Member since '08

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    That is very true. Ego is the killer of spirituality.
     
  13. Total Darkness

    Total Darkness 100% Cocoa

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    Killer, creator, and vehicle.
     
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  14. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    point is, hierarchy, is still ego. whereas, a real alternative exists in the combination of logic, consideration, honesty and imagination.
    (not saying there's any only one possibility either. only that this is the best i've been able to come up with.)

    i should probably say consideration first, as much as possible for everything, and as much as we can figure out and keep track of how our priorities, perceptions and preferences affect and interact with everything else. and we don't have to be rocket scientists to do that as much as we each can. and that's where logic comes in, because that's what it takes to do so.

    none of that requires anything to not exist either, but what we all do adds up to what we each experience, whatever else there might be also.

    honesty and imagination still count. honesty, well the price of the lack of it ought to be kind of obvious about now.
    imagination is the whole point of being sapient instead of just sentient, if there really is such a distinction, which i personally suspect is more a matter of degree then of kind.

    people can still believe whatever they want to, because the unknown being unknown doesn't prevent anything. it just doesn't owe anything to what we tell each other.
    its ego to think what we don't know can't exist without our knowing about it. the unknown doesn't have to be empty, and i'm not saying it does.
    just again and again and again, that it owes nothing to what we tell each other or our selves.

    so i think gods or a god, or whatever that may be, can be cool, because it doesn't have to have the slightest desire to be feared, or anything else humans try to claim about it,
    which again are really just reflections of our own egos also.

    its easy to accept the assumptions of our peers, but if we care what kind of a world we have to live in, it is never sufficient to do so.
    it isn't ego to question. its ego to think we know all the answers.

    if there's anything we could call a devil, i think its that temptation to think we or our peers, have all the answers to everything there is possible to be.
     
  15. Michael1985

    Michael1985 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    Fans support a sports team, but that does not make them part of it, and should not be using pronouns like "us" and "we" in referring to it unless they are somehow employed by said organization.
     
  16. WhatJustHappened

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    The team (or band) amounts to nothing more than mates larking about if not for the fans!

    No gigs....
    No money....

    People (fans) buy the merchandise, sales revenue pays the bills, the team continues to work! (That and advertising third parties.)

    But some fans are a bit too fanny!
    Rivalry is one thing but kicking the shit out of each other over the differences is quite another story!
     
  17. Amethyst87F

    Amethyst87F JesF35

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    I don't think every woman's place is inside the home, but I'd like to be a house-girlfriend one day. :)
     
  18. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    reality owes nothing to what we tell each other, but at least science is willing to look.
     
  19. Michael1985

    Michael1985 Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    "Deep dish" pizza does not qualify as such.
     
  20. NakedInfluence

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    Men and women are wired differently. Men are more interested in risk taking, numbers and building things while women prefer jobs involving language, teaching and caring for people. Attempts to equalize these are pointless.
     
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