Star Wars: The Last Jedi’

Oh so you don't hate 'shit writing'? You don't hate Hitler? You think that movies made by 'people who don't even try' are great? I mean, you seem to think pretty highly of your own critical abilities, oh master of 'movie logic'. Do you ever wonder why you're not the one writing these scripts?

FTR you can't just say 'oh, mind probes have been used lots of times and didn't have the same result' without providing any SPECIFIC examples, think you're making a point, and then when someone says you're not making a point just throw your hands up in the air and say you've lost faith in humanity and you can't believe how I am behaving simply because I don't accept your bullshit.

Nobody in the series has used the Force on anyone else in the same way Kylo used it during the interrogations on Poe or Rey... it's your assertion that they have, so you need to provide an example. Of course you won't, because you can't, because it didn't happen. It's the same for your theory about the 'downloading' being retconned (apparently you don't hate retconning, so that's great)... you have a theory about it but nothing to back it up (either in interviews with the creators or in the film itself), and without anything to back it up, it's a weak theory.

To be honest, I feel like you're being really insincere. Either everything I'm saying is flying over your head (which I don't think it is), or you're upset because you don't like being challenged. I'm not even annoyed that you didn't like the movie (I honestly don't care), I'm just annoyed that you made a point of being so so so aggressively negative about it, even bringing fucking HITLER into it, and now when pressed are declaring you don't actually hate the movie and you can't understand why anyone would be so mean to you.

 

I do not hate poor writing, I do however think that it is lazy & that anyone who resorts to it should not be making books, films, etc. If you are not good at something best just to not do it. I also feel that people such as yourself who don't give a damn about the quality of their entertainment are complicit in destroying a fine art. The references to Hitler, Stalin, etc were more of a refutation of your prior argument that simply being accepted by the masses doesn't actually make something inherently decent. The fact that I have to spell that comparison out makes me rather sad. You in return attempted to say that it was a bad comparison because you don't believe that such things were accepted en masse. I no longer saw the point in refuting such an obviously oblivious argument, in a thread about films no less, & therefore left it there. I do not think highly of my critical abilities, I do however actually take the time to investigate the internal movie logic of films if I'm going to discuss them. You on the other hand have spent this entire time calling me a hater & providing nothing but frivolous bullet ridden comments with little to no substance & no attempt to actually have a friendly discussion. Oh & no I do not wonder why I'm not writing these films because I have no interest in doing so.

I did provide specific examples. I also acknowledged that there were varying degrees of power to each of those examples. Just because you either don't understand such examples or don't want to isn't my problem. Take some time to actually read the argument, consider the logic if it, then get back to me. I shouldn't need to spell it out in the minutest of detail. You have a brain you've presumably seen the movies.

Personally I just want to be done with this little inane debate. Obviously you don't want to consider any point other than one which agrees with your ideas, or any point which requires more than 15 seconds of thought. That is your right. I am done going around & around with you on subjects you won't even take the time to think about. Great fine.....adios

 

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I can accept that Star Wars isn't perfect. I don't need it to be. After the prequels, I don't need it to be. What the Disney movies have gotten away with is okay. But it's not prequels bad. That is just too awful.

Others have discussed this and it's true... Film companies pander to the masses. I'm so sick of it. Where is the art of film? Seriously...when you're like, a teenager, people talk all this shit about how they're going to grow up and make a two day long movie or whatever that's actually going to be in the theaters. Where is that? That's actually...what I want to pay money for. Things that are daring. I don't want to pay money for movies that everyone is going to like. Remake the prequels, I say. Many nerds would be shocked and offended, yes, and the whole Star Wars thing might be put under the light of harsh scrutiny, but who cares. I must see a wonderful man broken and turned into a monster. I must see this. Children must run from the theater in tears. Why oh why can't we live in my world.

 

There are plenty of independent films out there that you can see if you don't want to see a blockbuster movie.
Also, after the summer ends there's usually a series of Oscar-bait type movies that you can see.

The reason that teenagers don't get their movies made is probably because they don't want to work hard to do it themselves... they just have these ideas that they think are good, their friends tell them it's good, and then later on they realize it was just an idea and not an actual movie.

 

That's not what I'm saying...at all. And independent films don't take any risks, either.

No, usually it's the case that spoiled mama and daddy's boy or girl gets whatever they want made because they're wealthy and can afford to and all of their friends support them because they're rich bullies. It's too bad none of them actually have any talent or there might be more than one good movie every ten fucking years.

 

Ummm.. I don't know.

I've seen some pretty great indie sci-fi movies in the past few years. Coherence was great... I really can't imagine that being the work of a 'rich bully', since it was shot on what could have easily been an iPhone 4. 'Frequencies' from a few years ago was a little pretentious, but still enjoyable. Upstream Color from 2011 (I think?) was of course brilliant... better than Primer... and it definitely wasn't pandering to anyone. I don't know what exactly you want from a movie, but a lot of that really experimental stuff that came out in the 60s (like Wavelength) was kind of bullshit... real art is considered, coherent and has something to say, it isn't just about people doing weird shit because they think it's cool and 'alternative'.

The movie 'Tangerine' was hilarious, (and actually was shot on an iPhone). And probably one of the best movies I've seen recently is called 'It's Such a Beautiful Day', which features stick man animation and tells the story of a mental breakdown.

Maybe you just don't know about these movies, but I can assure you that they are really original... they aren't just weird for the sake of weird, they're definitely real art.

 

I guess I just don't like movies anymore. Weird for the sake of weird? I don't know. I'd just prefer boring. So that everyone would leave the theater except for me.

Maybe our standards of rich are different. You say he shot it on an iphone and that's where it all breaks down for me. Truly poor and battered people don't have the opportunity to do any of that shit with their lives. They truly don't. But that's just the way the cookie crumbles, I guess. I just don't want to pay privileged people to be congratulated anymore.

 

These people aren't exactly privileged:



Of course, their film wasn't so great... but they still did it.
Cameras are becoming less and less expensive as well.

Really, you don't have to be privileged, you just need to have the will to do it.
Hollywood and the independent film scene can peacefully coexist.

 

Well...I just don't think movies are all that great anymore. They're not really hardcore enough. Like, the world is a very dark place. But, for instance, you'll have the Ninja Turtles riding skateboards in the sewer chasing after pizzas and dumb shit like that. They should be like, smoking pot out of oriental looking pipes and shit, hanging out in dingy apartments and what not, learning to sling guns.

The movies are so immediate and real...that's like, what film is. So when you prepackage reality into what is seen in the pictures these days, I find it disgusting. It's supposed to be the most realistic medium, but nothing is realistic in it. Maybe in independent films, but that's not really the point. Especially when the blockbusters are the greater influence. And, because so much money gets spent on them, usually better made. I don't know. I just find the whole medium to be pretty weak at this point. They won't even make a prequels in which a wonderful, decent man gets turned into a robot. They just pussy foot around the execs like a bunch of wimps. A lot of the material I like you can't use in independent films either, because it's trademarked and copywritten.

We need more adult films. And by adult I don't mean XXX. I mean that films are watered down for children. Film isn't a child's medium, because it is too real. I know there is room for fantasy for children, but somewhere along the line I think adult film and children's film got blurred. So now we're seeing half assed versions of reality in films that should be strictly for adults. I'm tired of the nicety. Gratuitous violence, sure, but it isn't interesting violence. Pulp Fiction was interesting violence, for instance. Oh, I don't know...I could go on and on. I don't necessarily want films that people enjoy. UNCOMFORTABLE should be the ideal.

 

I don't watch star wars for great story telling, great acting or being surprised by great reveals. I want to see lightsaber fights and space dogfights. So for those reasons I like the newer movies over anh.

 

I think the newer movies are interesting too. But I always will have a certain nostalgia for Luke, Han, Leia, Chewbacca, C3PO, R2D2, Darth Vader, etc. Lol! The list is long. Don't forget the Ewoks!

 

Lost me at ewoks buddy!

 

How can you hate Ewoks?

 

They're just toy marketing. That's how I hate them.

 

I see what you're saying. I had the same feeling, initially, about the droid BB-8. I thought that droid was sooo stupid, but now it's just another pop culture icon to be memed like anything else lol.

 

I hate pop culture

 

Really? I sort of enjoy it I guess. I think it's our collective attitude about entertainment that can enlighten or diminish us. So I guess it's a double edged sword.

 

I don't have a collective attitude about anything.

On the note of Ewoks the fuzzy half penguin lookin' things in TLJ were even worse

 

I think Ewoks are sort of cute though.