Spitting on Vietnam Soldiers

If you fought during the Vietnam War, I doubt, you even know the meaning of the word peace, since you yourself participated in an act of horrific violence called WAR!!!

 

it doesnt matter about the war it is about the moment that we all trying to defend ! i mean come on i may not love war but i know that it still has to be faught no matter how big , we fight wars every day be it should i tell my neighboor to quit being mean to every one . we all fight so should we all be spat upon ? it may not have been the war of our fore Fathers or the war in question or even of the one of 2008 , but about what we do in those times that test us , and tested thos Soliders.
Please make love and Compassion for thos who may have died back in Nam , tho many have spat upon and called them stupid . can we for an hour of each life have Compassion for them and see it from their eyes. Talk with a VFW in the area u live in and see what pains they have in there eyes before judgeing

for what this is worth i spit on myself and give my love to all
Compassion brings Peace and peace is Compassion

 

That's true. I agree.
As a society, let's all better spit on ourselves for allowing terrible wars such as the Vietnam War, the current Iraq war to happen leading to the deaths of thousands of human beings both American and Iraqi.

Wars that shouldn't have been fought to begin with.

 

No man better understands the horror of war or the meaning of peace than the soldier. To my brothers and sisters who understand its true meaning I say, ~Peace atriot:

 

The man who wins wars without fighting, is the man who better understands the horror of war or the meaning of peace, not the soldier.

 

how is that? who ever won a war without fighting? Anyone who has experienced war and lived to tell the tale is in a much better position to talk about it than the person with no experience who can only try to imagine it.
During my time in the service I got to party with hippies from the local college. There wasn't any hate no one spit on anybody. They understood that "there but for the grace of God go I", when hitching a ride home I always hoped I'd catch a ride with a hippy. Those were real people, real hippies. They understood without it having to be explained to them.
You do have one distinction, your the one and only person to make my ignore list. This is the last exchange we will ever have.
~Peace

 

I'm sorry but have you ever heard of Gandhi....exactly

 

There was no war in India. Gandhi did not fight a war. It was a nonviolent (on his part) movement for independence from Great Britain. There was a great deal of fighting amongst the different religious factions in India, Muslim and Hindu, primarily but the Sikhs and Tamils were also at each others throats. Its how Pakistan and Bangladesh were created. That fighting was used as an excuse by Great Britian to deny India independence. Do your home work. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.
~Peace

 

Lizardman0 thank you for the thought. Don't worry about being a hippy. the hippies were not the ones spitting on people. Hippies were good people then and are still good people now, just older. Love to live, live to love, count everyone as your brother. Did you think you were going to start this big a ruckus with your statement?
~Peace

 

I really did not want to get into this thread again, however, we know the word better than you think, and we did not want to participate in this war, we were for the most part drafted ( you are 50 you should know that) fighting the Vietmnam war was something we grew up with we never thought it would end. Peace was our main aim, you are not quite old enough to have experanced it first hand, but you heard about it everyday of your youth, but your view some how got skewed. And yes the violence was indeed horrific, there seemed to be no rules ( WE tried to follow the ones set up for us to follow ) but the VC and NVA, had no such rules. My job in Nam was being a door gunner in a helicopter gun ship we would rescue downed pilots, in other words I was death from above, and guess what I got quite good at it, why I WANTED to get home, so if you were under me and moved you were fair game and payed for it. It was horrible, I wanted to kill no one, but it really was us or them. And PEACE when I wish you peace it is the peace of intertranquillty not to lay down arms we may really need to take them up someday. WE did not have to be in Vietnam I still don't know why we were there, all these years I still have no clear reason for it.



Whoa! You sure get offended by a couple drops of loose spittle, while actively participating in the death and suffering inflicted on millions of people including some of your own in a war you had no business getting yourself into, in the first place.

I guess, you cowboys didn't mind blasting away a couple thousand men, women and children in Vietnam, burning their homes and villages with napalm, but confronting a few loose droplets of saliva smack in your face, it's sure to let that murderous primal urge out of you to kill.

Nice job of allowing yourselves to be brain-washed into unthinking killing machines.

Are you kidding me, Killing machines ? we were KIDS I was 19 and scared shitless every day, if I could just play cards with the VC to see who would win that is what I would have done, but it did not work that way. And don't get me wrong there were the WAR FREAKS, some guys would reup just to get back to war, they did it because they liked it , don't understand it myself but it is there even today. But please don't judge or lump us all together, as I said we for the most part were peace loving kids with no choice. You had no fear of getting involved so take it easy on the ones not so lucky. No one deserves to be spit on for doing what they were made to do. I did not get spit on but still felt the hate, and to this day I don't understand that either. I see there is still a lot of hate still going on here, the ones who have been there and posted do know and understand, but from what I read with the exception of one of you ( Holy Ancient Megumi ) just don' get it. She does but unlike you her head is in the right place, I can only wish the same to the rest of you.

and yes PEACE.

 

So, you admit that you were good at being a tail gunner, that anyone that moved under you was fair target, and paid for it, whether it be man, woman, child, animal, in your own words, you were "death from above" and yet you deny that you were a killing machine?

Tell me again, why is not a killing machine.

I never spat on any Vietnam vet neither do I condone it, but like I said, some of you veterans during the Vietnam War and even in this current Iraq war do deserve some of the shit that came your way.

If you guys as a group are men enough to hold guns and blow people's brains, you should be men enough to collectively face the consequences of your actions.

Sorry, but I think it was you who got your head and still is in the wrong place.

 

Read what I said, I was not a tail gunner I was a door gunner, big difference. And I had to be good at it, my life and a lot of others counted on it, do you even know what war is, you should if you are fifty, when I was there you were 13 and should have seen it every night on T.V. remember we used to show war right in front of you, I am nothing but unhappy with what I had to do, again I don't know why we were there, but to blame a young kid that was drafted is just stupid and that is what you are doing. Why did we dersive any kind of misstreatment, is it because we lived ? I am saying war is wrong I don't want it, but make me go put me in it and I will do what it takes to live and so would YOU, or maybe not maybe you would jump off the plane and just lay down and die. Your choice. I don't want to get into a hassle over this it was long ago and nothing has changed, we still run off to war today with out even checking out who we are waging it against.

Peace

 

Silverhippy you are not going to get anywhere with that guy he has his head stuck so far up his ass he can't hear you. At 13 he wasn't able to think for himself and believed what ever he was told to believe. He doesn't have any experience with the life we led. All wars are bad? We would still be British colonies, blacks would still be slaves, and we would all be under either German or Japanese control.
Don't let them make you feel guilty for something you had no choice or control over.
We were in VietNam because the government of the south asked for our aid. The Russians and the Chinese were arming the north.
The point of view being expressed by the haters in this thread is best termed as isolationism. They seem to think that by not getting involved any where in the world America would be better off. It just makes it easier for the Nazis, the Fascists, the Communists to take control of any area they want and enslave as many people as they want. But the haters don't care about that. Its not their homes or way of life in danger. To them nothing is worth fighting for. Maybe I agree with them to a point, they are not worth fighting for, or with.
~Peace
P.S. Check out "Charlie Wilsons War"

 

Yes you are right, he is one of the holier than thou crowd don't you know, never been anywhere never did anything but feels like he can pass judgement on those who did, and I did not mean all war is bad, some are very just, the ones you mentioned are good examples, I think I said the peace I wish people is not the peace of just lay down your arms, but one of inter peace , we may need to take weapons up and begin to kill if it is right, our war was not, and you know that. But you know as I know what could we do, he just pisses me off, someone of his age should know better. Things have passed him by.

Peace

 

In a later reply you said you didn't condone it, which is it? :toetap:

As far as my primal instincts are concerned, I've never had an urge to kill anyone. When someone shoots at you and you shoot back it isn't murder in any court its self defence. Not to shoot back is suicide, self murder.
The next time the enemy is at the door I'll agree to let him in if you will volunteer to be his first victim.
~Peace

 

I was (still am) an anti-war hippie during the infamous 60s/70s. I had a good friend who was in VietNam. Plenty of us were in the same situation...and none of us spit on our friends, or on anybody else. "Hippies"...and VietNam vets, too...are as varied a group of people as anybody else...so stereotyping, or lumping everybody together in your thoughts or opinions about the, doesn't hold up. As for whether you become a hippie or not, that needs to be something that grows out of who you are...as you continue to inform yourself about all the world around you...not something you should decide because somebody else tells you to be or not to be. Bright blessings whatever way you go.

 

to say that you can't be punished for what you did because you were forced to do it is stupid..how bout the nazis, many were forced and brainwashed and they did horrible deeds and to go by what your saying their acts are fine because they were forced into it.

and yes you can fight not to go into war, what about mohamed ali he was sent a draft letter and yet he fought and won

 

why don't wbld and I say that we won't spit on you or slot you into war machines and you guys say that we could of and should of fought the draft

 

Your missing the point again. Believe me NONE of us were for the draft. And just because we got caught in it doesn't mean we for it. As far as punishing us for what we did, those that committed crimes were punished. Being a soldier and defending yourself in combat are not crimes. As far as you and wbld not spitting on us or slotting us, I doubt either of you would spit on a vet if you were face to face, and I care less what your personal opinion of me is or whether you stereotype me. Those are the behaviors of the people hippies fought against. Ali got out of trouble after a long legal battle over his Muslem religious beliefs. Christians were not afforded that luxury. Your quote by Gandhi is out of context.
Anyone who refused to go was jailed. The government went to great lengths to punish draft resisters. They would have built prison camps in the middle of the desert if they had to.

 

hey silverhippy i am not trying to judge you, but what if everyone who was drafted, and i mean everyone who didnt want to go to Vietnam didnt? the prison system couldnt have held everyone and the policies would have had to be rethought. the same goes for anything. I understand that is idealistic and didnt happen and you were stuck in a shitty situation. I am sure you are a good guy, im sure you did what you had to do. I would like to actually thank you for serving out country, so i have the right to question my government along with many other freedoms that i enjoy. I am sorry that my thought offended you I was just trying to participate in the conversation.