Spitting on Vietnam Soldiers

You take a couple of bad soldiers and try to blame the entire armed forces. I am not falling for your BS line of logic.

 

You act as if EVERY soldier raped a 4-year old girl. That's total BS. Extremely illogical way to judge an entire group of people. Sounds like your trying to justify your draft dodging.

 

To be honest, I don't think the Army make good people into bad people. It's the inner-deep intentions of the person that makes them rape and murder children, not the fact that they're in the Army. True, the forces should do something about those people who rape and murder innocent people, but why should the other good soldiers be dragged down with the complete lunatics? I fully agree with Salmon on this.

Considering these people lower than shit is totally ironic, seeming your defending human rights in some respect, but if the person has done something wrong they are no longer human?

 

Not just illogical but prejudicial.

 

And just what is so frigging great about this country? Before you say anything "intelligent", I AM thinking about leaving.... And how do you know what it would be like if there had not been so damn much bloodshed? I would not be caught DEAD walking a mile in their shoes. Anymore than I would want to walk a mile in some sleezy whores shoes just so I could see what it was like. Sure, if there was a war going on in my back yard, I'd fight HARD for my home and family, but these guys become soldiers on purpose and their JOB DESCRIPTION includes KILLING people and dropping DIRTY BOMBS and destroying historical landmarks and peoples heritage. That's what they DO. It's not honorable. And guys who were DRAFTED became soldiers ON PURPOSE too. There WERE alternatives and they chose not to take them.

And the LAST thing I do is just sit ON MY ASS bitching. I'm an ACTIVIST.

 

You're asking the wrong person if you want a list of why this country is so great. I have considered leaving many times because of my disguist at how this country has been run.
I suppose if we had never fought or shed blood we would still be in England.
If these people didn't volunteer to be soldiers then our sons and daughters would be drafted. Being a soldier is the hardest job in the world. 95% or more of soldiers do not rape or murder. How about we just label all hippies as drug-addict beggars while we are at it? That wouldn't make any sense either.
I'm glad you are an activist instead of just a complainer. You deserve to be spit on no more than your average soldier. These people sacrifice their limbs and sometimes their lives. They do not make the decisions. The only gripe here is with the politicians.

 

As a hippy it is not my JOB to be a drug addict nor a beggar, but as a soldier it IS my job to be a killer...

Unfortunately. This points out the glaring gulf between what the majority WANTS and what they are ALLOWED to have. So we will just placidly go on obeying evil orders simply because they are orders. And just HOW do we GET RID OF those politicians whom nobody agrees with. They are SUPPOSED to represent "the people".

 

Hippy's have jobs?!

 

I stumbled into this thread and read quite a bit of it, but not all. But I feel that I must add a small "historical" fact to the origins of this thread. I was at one of these incidents of spitting on vietnam soldiers. Neither I or any of the hippies I was with were doing the spitting. The spitting was coming from the conformist population of do gooders and keeping up with the jones sect. It was the very people who said go and fight and knock hell out of their country. It wasn't the hippies doing the spitting. Protesting the war, YES, spitting, NO....we were all into conserving water anyway ! If you know your history or have ever looked at a Life Magazine, remember a picture of Flower children putting daiseys in the barrels of guns of soldiers standing at attention. I don't think there was any water coming from their mouths. I'm not saying that hippies didn't spit on soldiers, but the instances were more from the general public than from hippies. Besides, how could a person (hippy) who based there whole existence on peace and love be so wrong as to spit on anyone. Some doing the spitting may have looked like hippies, but I seriously doubt that they were true to that calling.....maybe they just wanted to be in the clique, who knows other than the ones that were there and did the spitting. I was there for some of it and I saw....and I remember ! Peace and Love !

 

I remember arriving back in the states after my tour in the R.V.N. , we landed at Travis A.F.B. in California.
During our short de-briefing, we were told that uniforms were not real popular out side the base. So if we had street clothes with us we should change before going out into the word...........Alaskan......Dennis.....

 

Rings true.

 

Just read an interesting statement.

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=3178610

 

earth mother i am very surprised to hear you say that if there was a war in your back yard you would fight very hard to protect your children and your family. im curius would you fight very hard to protect your neibors children? i was never in favor of the veitnam war. nor am i in favor of this current war. or in war at all, just remember that all the world is our backyard!! peace!

 

VERY VERY good point ! Thank you for that "backyard" reminder. We should all take note of that point !! Peace and Love to all !

 

And so I should go to Iraq and fight very hard to protect the Iraqi people and their children? OK. Us activists seem to fight very hard to protect whatever we believe in. Amazingly enough, spitting on soldiers could be seen as one way of fighting.
Very good way to sidetrack an issue tho!

 

Spitting on anyone has only one connotation...only one meaning....HATRED ! You can read any thing into it you want to, or see it anyway that might sooth your conscience. But spitting on another person is a show of hatred. So called "peace loving" people are no more than what they despise when they show such loathing as to spit on another human. Plain and Simple !! Peace and Love.....and no spitting !

 

Spitting on soldiers serves only one purpose...to further widen the gulf between people. The cowardly, chicken-shit act of spitting on a soldier shows an ineffectual and weak persons response when they have no idea what better to do. Do I agree with the gung-ho lets go kill-em-all types? Nope, Sure don't, but I'm smart enough to know that I won't weaken or cheapen my beliefs by spitting on them either. I still remember the cold, callous response I received when I returned to campus in '69, not spit on but treated like dirt. How asinine and pointless. At that point of re-entry into society, a nonjudgemental response would do far more to recruiting allies. But if you're so small minded and dullwitted you can't think of anything more appropriate, then go ahead and spit. Don't be too surprised if you end up spitting out teeth too cause some of those folks won't put up with that shit!

 

Yeah, ya might lose some teeth...or in this day and age....ya might get sued !!

 

Skip, you are flat out WRONG! I have read some of your position regarding soldiers. I certainly agree that we are currnetly in a pointless slaughter on innocents on both sides, but buddy, if you spit on me and think you're gonna get me to listen to your point of view, you're ate up. What the hell is a soldier anyway? Its a kid 99% of the time and often a kid who has no idea how he got caught up in the mess he's in. Lets stop objectifying them...they're kids. So Practice saying, lets spit in some dumb, confused kids face. How's that sound?
You wanta change opinions you engage people, not alienate them. I don't know any kids(soldiers) who think they're hero's. That hero shit is part of bush and the media's propaganda. You spit on a Kid(soldier) and you harden people against any beliefs you espouse. Myself, I won't do a damn thing to help bush...you go spittin on Kids(soldiers) and you're helpin bush and his buddies. You're making our cause look weak and cowardly. You engage these same kids, recruit them, help them see how they've been used and abused and they'll tell their brothers and sisters, their buddies and neighbors and maybe then you'll make a change. You wanna spit so fuckin' bad go find a defence contractor and spit on them. Find some son of bitch who assembles weapons and bombs and spit on them...better yet go spit on a politician who won't do a damn thing to help stop the stupidity.