Kids are evil. I was an evil kid. I'm pretty sure that spanking was the last resort for my parents in an exhaustive search for solutions. I think that spanking is excusable but probably not justifiable. Beating on the other hand is a different matter. I don't think people with no kids of their own should be making judgments on parenting techniques.
That's such a half assed answer. Of course if someones beating their kid in public and then using that parent/god complex bullshit as cover, they shouldn't be let off for it. "ya'll aint tellin' me how to raise my kids." Fucking bullshit. A lot of shitty parents should be called on it.
I never understood that argument. It seems like a dumb cop-out to me. I've been in plenty situations when I had to be responsible for a kid. Not necessarily my kid, but a kid... and had to take on the role of a parent. I do realize that I do not have to face these decisions daily, but all in all... I do not see why I'm automatically disqualified from talking about parenting if I don't have kids. We are all prospective parents in a sense, and I think that it's ridiculously ignorant to NOT HAVE an opinion and value judgment on parenting techniques... otherwise you will be completely clueless when you do have kids. I also don't think that kids are evil at all, but I don't you were being too literal with that comment. I've always found kids to be extremely pure... all the "evil" that they have ever attained is a direct result of their experiences at home.
Childless people being subjected to the products of bad or neglectful parenting are most definitely qualified to comment- though depending on its nature their opinions may carry a bit less weight.
Fuckin eh right. I also totally agree with BSR. I'm so sick of that "I'm a parent, I have ALL the fuckin knowledge in the world" attitude/ You know what, just because your a parent doesn't make you smarter or better with kids. If you were that smart you wouldn't have had kids in the first place.
I gave my answer. Like I said, spanking was a last resort for my parents when they had tried everything they could, from reasoning, blackmail, teaching by example, treats and so on. I was a completely fearless child and a wooden spoon was the only thing that taught me anything. I feel that they used spanking responsibly and sparingly. I know the kind of assholes you're talking about and most of them are idiotic and ill tempered and dish out discipline with the same amount of consistency and logic as a braindead amoeba. In some ways I'm a lot smarter and emotionally disciplined than my parents were at my age and I'm hoping to prevent the need to have to spank in the first place, but who the hell knows to what extremes I'm going to be pushed. If I ever had to dish out such a punishment, it would NEVER be in anger. Happy now?
I disagree with that. The world needs kids. Who'll be stripping for me when I'm 40? But seriously, having kids doesn't mean you're immune from criticism on how they're raised. Especially if you beat them. Spanking is different from beating. But a lot of people who use that line of logic don't know the difference. And in that case, fuck them, they shouldn't have kids.
I'm just urging people not to base their judgement on some pre-concieved notion or moral value. I'm just putting another idea out there....perhaps spanking is okay if its dealt out responsibly. Its something to consider when the stereotypical response is usually just an emotional "its completely wrong and disgusting".
I really think mankind needs to stop having kids. Adopt every single unwanted, alone child in the world so that there isn't one SINGLE orphan left. Then we'll see where to go from there. Till then, I say humans get castrated at birth.
I don't think that it's o.k. It's as simple as that. I think that it's weak. I'm sure that your parents could have handled you without spanking if they raised you well from the very beginning, but something tells me that they didn't since you were so rebellious.
I'm going to excuse them. It was fine in the 60s to treat your kids like doormats, or punching bags and as a result my parents had a lot more shit to deal with as young parents than I would now. I don't think my folks had the resources to be perfect parents and so they weren't able to quell my already volatile nature. Everybody knows that I've always been a volatile, rebellious person no matter what. Its in my nature. My sister is the complete opposite and had the same upbrining. I just don't think its "as simple as that". There are so many issues to be considered and so many realities that we're going to be faced with as parents. To be quite honest I think like the rest of you. I hate the idea and I don't ever wan't to spank my child or attempt to justify it, but at the same time I don't think I can judge my own parents for having dealt out such a punishment lightly and occasionally, and effectively.
But yet again, it proves that it's not a preferred manner of punishment, but an end-result of ineffective parenting. I'm not saying that you should blame your parents... we're theorizin' and terrorizin' here.
Either way the human race needs to end. Bill Hicks said it best. "I'm tired of this back-slapping "Isn't humanity neat?" bullshit. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are."
Maybe. Just maybe. I really am trying to dance gracefully between both points of view, perhaps unsuccessfully. All I know is that I was a fucking asshole and even the most logical, well mannered geniuses would not have been able to control me.