Someone please define rape to me

You have already met him.

 

Dunno. I think it's absurd to claim you were raped in that situation anyways. And if she did that in court.... Well now. I guess a girl claiming she got raped can stand up in court and say "I got raped by John" is admissible evidence also.

 

The standard most basic defnition of rape is sex that doesn't involve consent.

 

Probably because you've never been in that situation.

You finally got something right for a change! Congratulations.

 

And you have?

lol, Please tell me what it's like to be raped so you can educate all women!

At first you appeared to be a respectable feminist, but now you're true colors are slowly coming to surface.

 

its the one we're working with, with only the very basic understanding that consent must be informed. simple stuff.

have you been here under a different username? something about your arguments is painfully familiar.

 

Exactly...

Guy: Wanna have sex?

Girl: sure

consent.

 

You'll notice he didn't bother to answer that question. lol

 

He edited his post smart one.

Have I been here before? No. I literally just googled feminist forum and this came up.

 

exactly.

and if either one of them is deliberately withholding information which they know or suspect would make the other decline, then consent is invalidated.

 

:love:

 

Not really, since we can't assume that the person would decline. That's circumstantial evdience and hearsay which is as Judge Judy would say "is a load a bull"

 

no.

seriously, (re)read my example. if i fucked you, knowing that i was witholding information which you need to make an informed decision about whether or not to fuck me, then

WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD HAVE FUCKED ME IF I HAD PROVIDED YOU WITH THE NECESSARY INFORMATION

I am knowingly fucking you without your having given me consent to fuck you.

the legality (moral or technical) is based on the provision of informed permission

this is basic ethics, man. you can't defend yourself from stealing by saying that there's technically no way of knowing whether the person you stole from would have willingly given you their shit, if you'd only asked them beforehand.

 

Withholding info? So if a girl is fucked without the knowledge that the guy is married, is that also rape too? She would have most likely never have done it if this happened.

I asked this question on another forum, and yea everyone thinks this logic is moronic. Take a look.

no outside forum links

 

It wasn't an insult. You very, very clearly have absolutely no idea what the legal terms you're using mean. Period. Not even close, really. You seem to be just throwing them out there to try to make yourself look intelligent or educated, and all you're doing is embarrassing yourself. Most people prefer not to do that, but I guess you're...different.

 

And you happen to be one of those brainwashed people who will believe anything that is fed to them. I'm not going to believe some descision made by a judge just because he is a judge, hence why we are trying to reason it out on a forum.

 

So you now admit that you are trolling?

 

What in the world does that have to do with what I said?

 

Because you believe that: Informed consent = rape because a court made a descision on it. You even said this earlier, please don't make me quote it.

 

No, I said a LACK of informed consent = rape. The courts have said it, the law says it in many states, and I said it long before any of the law or the courts said it. To most people, it's just basic ethics, you really don't need to try to convince them of it.

I find it quite telling that you're spending so much time arguing against it. Quite telling indeed. Usually the only ones who argue against such a thing are the ones you'd have to worry about trying to trick or deceive a girl into having sex. Does that sound like you, Whip Hoze?