Discussion in 'America Attacks!' started by Higherthanhell, May 6, 2007.
its all a bit of a grim joke really
These are failures Mr Hell - to put them in a thread about ''success'' would be a little odd - well unless you happened to be running a Jihadi website.
I'll just patronise you for a little while yeah -
Bush recognized that the progress of the war is "unacceptable to the American people -- and it is unacceptable to me," adding, "Where mistakes have been made, the responsibility rests with me." (Read the speech)
IF YOU ARE SERIOUSLY TELLING ME THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA OF ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS GOING ON IN IRAQ - THAT MAKES YOU PRETTY BLIND.
Pop into the other thread there is several links. Check out http://www.dfid.gov.uk/news/default.asp?move=0&CountryID=c108 http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/ http://www.iraqanalysis.org/info/174
What ''lies'' have I said that ''perpetuates this shit'' ?
I think you're nuts I think that other person is nuts I think the bird in the other thread is nuts - Big deal - Do I look bovvered.
ahh...... but it takes little helpers to do most of his work
(CBS/AP) An al Qaeda front group said Sunday that it had captured three U.S. soldiers in the attack a day earlier south of Baghdad that killed five and left three missing...
The Bush people are thrilled to learn of this- that's three more families he can use as "props" at speeches, much as he uses the Maupin family. CHING!!!!!!
They've probably assigned dozens of people to this project, whose 24/7 mission isn't to secure the release of the Americans, but to ensure that this is used to the maximum extent for propaganda purposes.
I feel for these families. They're going to be fucked over to an extent that normal human beings could never even begin to imagine.
Oh yeah, I heard a group of Iraqi citizens decided to plant a bunch of nice little flowers instead of I.E.D.s.
An Iraqi man pulling a mule cart managed to cross a street alive and in one piece.
An Iraqi child in Baghdad who can't go to school for fear of getting caught in the cross-fire, on top of other horrible realities of living in a war zone, managed yet to survive another day.
Oh, sure, I see signs of "progress"everywhere... :H
BTW, I heard Halliburton, awash from mega profits obtained as a result of this Iraq war, is expanding it's $$$$billion operations to India.
Now, that is progress in the financial sense. hmmm
Halliburton to Open India Center, Advance Shift East
I agree I am tired of the politicizing. I think if you put all the so called successes on one arm of a scale and put the detriments on the other it would be obvious how truly successful this whole mess has been.
No one is benefitting except the war machine. The Iraqis and American and coalition forces aren't winning shit. The entire area is now unstable. It's a situation that cannot be won. Even football games have limited times, and quarters. You can't win it all....and this was a losing venture to begin with.
The truth is he is doing what the IRAQI GOVERMENT WANT.
They can tell us to leave tear up the UN mandate and get on with it themselves. But they do not.
jawohl mein furhrer!
It is a little bit more fundemental than that -
If you want negatives you will seek tham out.
If you search for the positives you can seek them out.
To ignore one in favour of the other is wrong and unhelpful plus it skews peoples perspectives.
To suggest nothing positive is occuring because he had not seen it - is him being blind. The other ''success thread'' was attempting to highlight a few.
This thread is about failure - i can post countless stories of failure. Well not failure horrible successes as you have highlighted. Success and failure on our efforts are a differing matter imho.
Do you agree with Higherthanhell ? -
''Oh yeah?..might want to inform Bush and his retarded supporters that. This shit has been happenning for years, yet Bush keeps bragging about the great successes. I don't know of anything else going on in Iraq..so this is what I figure he's bragging about...here's another Bush success just today...''
I aint even going through the old Haliburton thing - just to add Dick cheyney was chief executive officer. I think someone forgot to mention that.Ho hum.
Well all I was doing was giving a few positives - not attempting to determine success or failure. I think that was what the point I was attempting to say to YOU [in the other thread].
Every single person in this thread including you and I - do it - to a greater or lesser degree.
Since they are the ones reaping the largest benefits they can't be ignored. Especially since many of the unaccountable costs of this war are directly related to their support services. They are part of the privatization of the military forces. The fact that our servicemen had to recieve nothing but cold meals for a period was directly related to the mismanagement of funds in Iraq by Haliburton. The overcharging of fuel to our military effort was also caused by Haliburton. You can Ho Hum, but I don't intend to let them off the hook without oversight to protect the taxpayers investment. That's only good business.
I was not going there - because it is long and convoluted.
I appreciate the mismangement of funds and overcharging etc etc.
I have gone through a few of these issues with you gardener [i think].
There is oversight.
Don't let them off the hook - but also look at ALL the facts not just the ones that are negative - like is being done in this thread.
You guys are just far too cynical to even consider another paradigm as far as Haliburton is concerned.
Sorry I was ho humming about Dick cheyney being mentioned in every story about Haliburton - He usualy is.
What are the positive facts, mbworkrelated? I fail to see them.
Peace and love
Are you going to be just like the majority here ?.
e.g of your logic:
''Let's get back on topic, folks. The american solider is nothing more than a puppet, someone who can't think for themselves. They are programed to take orders without thinking. I would go so far as to say they are brainwashed. It's time to befriend soliders and open their minds to the brainwashing that they are exposed to. Maybe then they might see the error in their ways...''
Then it might be pointless me responding - but out of courtesy I will.
14 out of the 18 provinces are peaceful/relatively peaceful - the majority of the violence occurs within 10-30 km from Bagdhad
Please read the links I have posted within this and the other thread http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234393&page=3&pp=10
While we all do it
''Stop politicizing Iraq. The lives of real people are involved, while this site receives emails from people asking it this site is funded by Karl Rove, etc. This site isn't about political credit for some party. This site doesn't need any credit when peace and happiness do come in the future for the Iraqi people. If some Democrats or liberals need credit for Iraqi's having a better future, in order to support the troops mission-- then have it. Take all the credit. When things do eventually get better for the people in Iraq, please take the credit for yourself, and your political party. ''
It is very difficult to view the situation while it is ongoing - History will be the better judge -You may read some negative responses to my post such as
''Look back in hindsight eh ! look at the thousands killed etc etc etc ''
It very much depends on your views of war and your prejudices of the situations - While I'll accept mine are skewed towards the positive I'm well aware of the Negatives.
The majority of people here do not concede ANYTHING positive - my only point in responding here and in the other thread was to attempt to :goodevil:
I don't see anything positive in Iraq, except maybe the botched execution of Saddam(?). If Iraq is so peaceful, would you visit there?
Peace and love
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