Socialism Is The Future

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by unfocusedanakin, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    As I already told you jobs require uniforms here too. You could not work in many jobs involving food here with a beard unless you wear a hair net. I suppose to you that is better? But you have not given me any real reasons why socialism is bad. At least be like an American and tell me that you will starve. I bet you don't do you? I bet college is very cheap or free isn't it? I bet if you break your leg you do not worry about a $100,000 bill so you can not even go to a hospital.

    What you are giving me is MINOR annoyances of bureaucracy.
     
  2. David0301

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    i live in austria, vienna . the capital city, it was ranked no1 among all cities regarding standard of life. As you said free access to university, phd degrees, social security etc

    I agree with you - we here underappreciate the value of being able to study at a university at 0 costs, 0 costs healthcare etc, this is what we enjoy here yes

    on the other side what I despise of the u.s. is: very high costs to study at a university (im not talking about colleges , i men the real thing where you get a phd degree) , how in the world can they charge so much money to get a phd?? that is soo unhumane, ucla, harvard, stanford, and that it university on the eastcoast i forgot the name, or to study medicine, crazy expensive,.. that way they make sure only certain people get access to education, dont you think so?
     
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    you said norway, canada, england,

    well ... england is not socialism my friend.. neither canada ...norway yes
     
  4. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Americans believe nothing but guns are a right. Education is a business so there is nothing wrong with charging as much as possible. It is true many Americans never have a chance to go to college. If you do you will pay loans on it until you are in your 50's. If you have rich parents maybe not that long but at the university here it's $15,000 each semester two semesters in a year. Books for the classes will be $3,000 to $5,000. Go to college for 4 years and do the math.
     
  5. David0301

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    only few places left on earth where socialism is still practised my friend...

    give it another 10 years and it will be wiped off the earth....
     
  6. David0301

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    for your information: all our public sectors are being sold slowly to private people... almost everything is private now, even our gas and electricity supply (which was public before) is private now, there is no more socialism amigo
     
  7. David0301

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    @unfocusedanakin
    you americans are taking over our country hhahaha

    just this year you people conquered our luxury "1st district" shopping boulevourd, establishing victorious secret, forever 21, abercrombie and fitchie, etc etc... so much change happening, before there was lots of small local austrian shops, now almost none left, they all have been taken over,
    all austrians are becoming americanised.... you have conquered us :pensive:
     
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  8. David0301

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    @unfocusedanakin

    oh and by the way: even our public university which is owned by the state is slowly splittering into pieces, medicine - which was part of it - now has become a seperate/private faculty. There is a "medical university of vienna" now. As you can see even our good old socialism is starting to collapse
     
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    i have to go to sleep now my friend, i must admit you know a lot (in comparison to the americans i ocassionally meet hehe) , it is midnight here in europe, we continue tomorrow, buenas noches, bye
     
  10. It will become one computer. And the computer will slowly corrode. For thousands of years man will seek a solution and be unable to find one in the last. The computer will be able to create copies of reality and trap whomever it wants in a virtual hell for centuries, as we will also have much longer lifespans. You wanna go there?
     
  11. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    Trapped in a virtual hell in my computer that lasts for what seems centuries?

    So, Hip Forums?

    I kid! I kid! I love it here! *looks nervously at @skip*
     
  12. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Thank you I like to think I pay more attention than the average American. I have also seen the privatization of Europe. It is becoming more like America. Private business can take over everything and that is better than the state which is of course evil. Most Americans calling themselves Republican hate the goverment and would support it doing as little as possible for the people.
     
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  13. Noserider

    Noserider Goofy-Footed Member

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    No.

    Most Americans calling themselves Republican love government and support it doing as much as possible for the rich.

    People who actually know what Republicanism is all about hate the government and support the people doing as little as possible for the government.

    Big difference.
     
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    If you let the government be in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years they’ll have a shortage of sand


    -Milton Friedman
     
  15. tikoo

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    Free , I may refuse capitalism , socialism , communism . Then what ? I allow you free will , yet if one
    assumes manipulative authority by this grace , by god I'll make you cry for that .
     
  16. soulcompromise

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    I think that a social democracy has so much to offer and I hope that it materializes in the future.
     
  17. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Milton wasn't exactly the brightest candle on the Reagan Menorah.
     
  18. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    They hate the government but claim to be patriots when it suits their need to sell someone a thick line of bull.
     
  19. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    The right hates goverment so much. I wonder what services they want? Everything takes money (taxes) and the states that ask for the most assistance from the goverment in healthcare and education are the Republican Trump voting states. Senior citizens just get money from the goverment for being old. Where did the money come from? Taxes. Why? Old people deserve a certain standard of life when they can no longer work. Back then Americans understood that a a "social" security program like that was not evil. It's right in the name but people still fear what I am talking about.

    Some people are just happier living under the illusion that they are "free" as they can be. They will look at one example or two of Socialism corrupted by a dictator or corupt goverment. They always said someone like Bernie Sanders was a Communist like the Soviets. Not even understanding that Democratic Socialism is not the same as communism and what the Soviot Union was is a dictatorship. Many of Bernie Sander's ideas would be considered pretty standard in Europe. Not even "left wing".

    In France they can only work 35 hours a week. Studies show after that productivity goes down. Besides that you get better maternity leave and other benefits. They are "socialist" according to Amerindians and therefore bad. An American is happier being a slave who in theory works 40 hours a week but often much more because they have to. We live to work they work to live.

    Socialism is not evil, it is the way we take the goverment back from the elite. It's not a war with other Americans it is the uniting of the middle class to demand what the rest of the world has. Either major politcal party in America could take this on. Both say they are for the middle class after all.

    The goverment as it is now will not be tolerated forever. It's supporters are vocal but getting fewer and fewer. There will be different expectations in the future. A certain type of person will complain about it but long term I hope they will see it's not the end of the world and they still feel very American in their way of life. In the golden Trump days of the 1950's and 60's taxes on the rich were higher than now and a college education was much cheaper adjusted for inflation. There was also labor unions during that time that insured high wages. One parent only usualy world back then because the job pays good and public services are cheap. None of this is possible with current politics.
     
  20. David0301

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    good morning i come from a social democratic country. its a failure
     

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