Socialism Is The Future

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by unfocusedanakin, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Fig

    Actually the US didn’t declare war on Germany, Hitler declared war on the US. Also the US only entered the European threatre after the tide was turning against Germany – Operation Sea lion was a failure so no invasion of Britain and the Russians had driven back the Germans from Moscow beginning the bloody reoccupation of land lost to the Nazis.

    But there were those in the US that thought fighting on two fronts was too much and didn’t want to go into Europe if that had happened the most likely outcome would have been a Soviet Russian domination even occupation of Europe, Britain would possible have held out but once the Russian juggernaut started rolling there would have been nothing to stop it from ‘liberated’ the whole of continental Europe in the same way it liberated those countries that ended up behind the iron curtain.

    That would have vastly changed the dynamic of the cold war wouldn’t it and made the US position a lot more precarious.

    Anyway it was in the US’s interests to be in Europe and why after it they helped get it back on its feet with the Marshal Plan and made a hell of a lot of money selling its goods to Europe.

    You should also remember that the Europeans do have nuclear weaponsand as a whole the EU has the second largest army in the world.
     
  2. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    The elderly tend to vote conservative and be very sensitive to any "communism" in goverment. But those same people are fine getting a social security check. They don't see the hypocracy.

    You paid a tax to goverment and now you sort of get your own money back because even though you can not work and offer no real value to society from the alt-right viewpoint you are allowed to live and eat. The Vikings used to expect their elderly to commit suicide for this reason. Life is hard and it's wrong of them to make it harder. I guess the modern American wants to also live in the dark ages and struggle.

    If you have such an issue with socialism it should be unacceptable for any American to retire unless they are in the 1%. the other 99% are sure to ask for hand outs.
     
  3. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Hardcore capitalism totally works. :smirk:
    Especially when a fundamental belief of that system is that tax has no place and the people who don't pay it are too smart for the system therefor deserving even more reward and praise. We can trust them more than the goverment. Only one of them cares for our freedoms.

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  4. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    A socialist is someone who can keep a straight face while saying that earning money for yourself is exploitation, but taking it from others is fairness.
     
  5. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah... I don't know anybody like that.
     
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  6. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I don't know what right wing radio talk show you listen to but it is causing a serious cognitive defect in your ability to deduce facts.
     
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  7. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    A corporate command economy is not a form of free enterprise capitalism. It is not a form of socialism, because it does not care about the welfare of human beings. It does have a lot in common with organized crime. And the corporate commanders always fight in court to keep their tax and banking records secret ... sort of like Trump has been doing for almost four years.
     
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  8. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

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    sounds an awful lot like greed, doesn't it? :)
     
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  9. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    If Hitler targeted the Jews for socioeconomic reasons rather than ethnic reasons. The modern left would cherish him as a hero.
     
  10. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    You just make shit up, don't you
     
  11. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    He did

    Do you read history books?Jews were bad because they controlled the economy and made life hard for Germans. They use unfair business practices and the idea that people feel sorry for them because of past racism to exploit.

    To this day anti-Semites still think Jews control money. So they Joe Six Pack don't get loans or opportunity because some Jew was mean to them. And to this day the idea that the empathic one is the fool still persists. Not a lot has changed since 1945.
     
  12. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    Yeah. Take away the fact that Jews are an ethnicity. What Hitler did was something that’d make socialists proud: eat the rich
     
  13. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    Still trying... Still not working
     
  14. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    I'm not sure what you are saying. The Jews were seen as a different race by Germany as well. The subject of a race is a whole other topic. I consider Jews white the same as an English person. But some might argue different. I don't think it matters compared to the facts of the holocaust. However you want to slice it there were different so it was OK to hate them. They hate Germany and those who love it will defend it.

    If Nazi Germany would "make socialists proud" why was Hitler at war with Russia? People with your views LOVE Nazi Germany because they see similarity to modern America.

    One fights the Jews and socialists the other fights the Muslims and socialists. You can't have it both ways.

    As for the eat the rich thing. I guess you don't understand how the wealthy and elite supported Hitler because he made them richer. Like we see now in America a certain class of 1%'ers don't care as long as they get theirs. Which again means Germany is a good alt-right Republican goal because they were not socialists. The USSR takes wealth and Germany is a free market with no "deep state" of Jews.

    A modern socialist society would be similar to western European countries. Any religion is premited. A class system exists but the top class is taxed heavily. The states does not tell you what to do for a living. Like for example in the USSR the Olympic athletes were picked at an early age. You want to be a scientist? Too bad because you showed a natural skill for basketball and you must bring the nation honor.

    None of this is similar to Nazi Germany. Like a typical right wing person the buzz words of Nazi or socialist only mean anything to the left of fascism. Nazism is a right wing idea where as socialism is left one. There was a war in the East for a reason.
     
  15. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    It's funny to hear Americans bitch and act like they know anything. They love to tell other people how wrong they are when about 3/4 of Americans don't even own a passport.
    I'm an American who went for it. I live someplace with a high tax even for European high tax. The goverment does many things. With the current virus propel kind of expect that. How will you take care of us? Where is our healthcare? Where are the hate speech laws protecting us from the "free speech" Amerivcnas love so much which ends up being racism.

    No one is bothered by this. It's only ignorant Americans who insist on telling us we are not happy. Do you know the main reasons Europeans will not come to America? First they are afraid of getting injured in an accident or being shot. How would they pay for it? There is travel insurance but you can get fucked by those easily and be mailed a $50,000 bill in your home country. Second is the racism which makes people not care about other people. They are saddened by seeing Americans live so poorly but be so confident that everyone is jealous of them.

    This sums it up perfectly. Americans will laugh at this and say "damn right". Europeans will roll their eyes.

     
  16. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    American Capitalists Don’t Want You To Know That The Nazis Were Hardcore Right-Wing Capitalists Who Killed Anyone That Supported Socialism Or Communism

    Does this sound like Trump to anyone else? It would seem that the poster by for American capitalism is a fascist. But I'm the real victim because "my money" helped an old man with cancer treatments.

    I would only visit America.

    9 Things You Might Not Know About Adolf Hitler

    “After becoming chancellor, he notably ordered the government to buy copies of his Mein Kampf to give as state wedding gifts to newlyweds, leading to hefty royalties for Hitler. In addition, he refused to pay income tax. He used his vast wealth—which some estimated was about $5 billion—to amass an extensive art collection, purchase fine furnishings, and acquire various properties. After the war, his estate was given to Bavaria.”
    -Encyclopedia Britannica


    Adolf Hitler: Secret Billionaire

    “Hitler amassed a personal fortune in property, art and cash worth in excess of $6 billion.

    When he wasn’t plotting his ascent to power in Germany and subsequent European domination, Hitler was working on an incredible array of money-making schemes.

    He surreptitiously pocketed collections from his rallies, channeled millions into personal accounts through government purchases of his book and secured a slew of image-rights deals that put LeBron James to shame.


    It wasn’t only the adoring crowds that had no idea of his profiteering; the German taxman were also kept in the dark. By the time he was chancellor he owed $3 million in taxes, according to a British television documentary. Soon afterwards it was quietly decided that chancellors need not pay tax.”

    Hitler Revealed As A Tax Dodger
    -New York Times


    Adolf Hitler's wealth and income

    “Throughout his rise to power, Hitler neglected to pay taxes on his income and allowances.[9] In 1934, one year after becoming Chancellor, the tax office of Munich sent Hitler a fine of 405,494.00 Reichsmarks for not paying taxes nor properly declaring his income. He was given only eight days to pay off this debt.

    The new Chancellor responded by ordering a state secretary of the ministry of finance to intervene, which resulted in Hitler becoming tax-free.”
    -Wikipedia



    Sounds like a typical American billionaire, doesn’t it?


    The Nazis even worked hand in hand with American capitalists like Ford and IBM.
     
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  17. M_Ranko

    M_Ranko Straight edge xXx

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    It is, if you do it by exploiting underprivileged minimum wage workers in slavery like conditions. If your business venture finds success, you gotsta share it with the people who enabled your success. And pay taxes to the country that offered you safe, stable surroundings to operate on. Tax the rich, yo!
     
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  18. Angelmama

    Angelmama Angel Lifetime Supporter

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    That was supposed to happen in 1984. Oh well
    I am a Socialist and nor ashamed to say so.
    It was good enough for Jesus, and it's good enough for me.
     
  19. Vladimir Illich

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    Sorry matey, but you're so wrong. Jews come in all shades, from snow white to jet black.


     
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  20. Angelmama

    Angelmama Angel Lifetime Supporter

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    I believe you but the Quanon people say that the Ethiopian Jewish folks are a hoax!
    What a surprise
    ..conspiracy pushers.
     

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