Socialism is superior to capitalism

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by unfocusedanakin, May 26, 2018.

  1. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    I love the Spanish people and love the Spanish language. As for Dave Ramsey: I've listened to his radio show on the AM. He's a Republican agenteur, a combination of agent and saboteur, sort of like a Hannity on discount. Both of them always endeavored to undermine the Obama presidency.
     
  2. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

    TrudginAcrossTheTundra Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    The only thing Ramsey "endeavors to undermine" is stupidity. It won't hurt you to look into it. He and Hannity have about as much in common as a car and a tree. Your statements above illustrate a need to gather facts.
    The more you know...
     
  3. Okiefreak

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    So do you think the U.S. outta let Norway fend for itself? What about those other "socialist" countries in NATO? I guess we're allied with them out of charity and kind heartedness. The U.S. seems to be in the mood to ditch its closest allies and cozy up to enemy dictators these days, so why not go whole hog? Who needs NATO/ Who needs NAFTA? Who needs the WTO? We can just go it alone, right? Uncle Vlad would never harm us. He's our best buddy, right?

    Interestingly, the U.S. ranks 18th among the nations of the world in economic freedom, according to the 2018 Economic Freedom Index. That puts us in the "mostly free' camp, below countries like the U.K., Canada, Denmark, Sweden, and the Netherlands, and way below the "free' countries like New Zealand, Switzerland, and Australia!
    Makes ya wonder doesn't it? You know it almost happened. Those Republican isolationists were all for staying out, but that !@#$% Democrat FDR forced their hand. Well, isolationism is back and some nasty dictators are on the prowl. Maybe we can give it another go!
     
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  4. Monkey Boy

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    Cuba was without oil for a decade after the fall of the Soviet Union. They actually did pretty well considering.
     
  5. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    He calls the news media the enemy of the people and claims unbridled power to pardon himself and his cronies. He tried (unsuccessfully) to block the Time-Warner/ ATT merger because Time-Warner is owned by CNN. He tried, for a similar reason, to get the Postal Service to raise shipping rates to get at Amazon, because Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, owns the Washington Post which is critical of him. He praises dictators at every turn, and berates his allies in the western democracies. And this is just in the first half of his first administration. Doesn't sound promising for freedom to me.
     
  6. trackdayguy

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    "The underlying principle of socialism is the equal sharing of suffering"
     
  7. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

    TrudginAcrossTheTundra Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    What were we talking about?
    This rabbit trail it interesting but I've got to get something to eat.

    Time will tell. It's interesting that's for sure!
     
  8. Spilled-Patchouli

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    Exactly, "pure" capitalism tricks people into thinking they'll one day be able to save up enough to become one of the big dogs, but they're just like everyone else. Accepting that you're never going to be a billionaire is a great way to appreciate socialism.
     
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  9. I've decided to vote for anyone over Trump. Not because they'll be any better, but because of his fans... The stupidity has gotten out of control. Some of the things I see on facebook... I need these people to crawl under a rock again.
     
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  10. rasta g child

    rasta g child flower power

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    its like we get money but we share
     
  11. Anyfun

    Anyfun Banned

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    I prefer capitalism because it encourages people to educate themselves and increase the value of their skills. The more you put in, the more you get out of it.

    Socialism, in our current society, will prove only to devalue those skills that people have invested time and money into.

    To juxtapose 2 farmers in a socialistic society. Both farms are the same except 1 farmer sleeps in late, works whenever and does little to actually produce anything. The other, gets up early, works the land, and produces healthy crops. Yet they both make the same money. My question is (more rhetorical than anything else), what makes it fair?

    In a perfect world, socialism would be ideal. However, we aren't in such a world. There will always be those that find loopholes and those that want something for nothing.
     
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  12. granite45

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    Nobody but nobody has put more energy into loopholes, thwarting competition and greed than the so called capitalist Republicans. The biggest lie ever told is that people who resent making the few even wealthier are “lazy”. This country was built on exploitation of working people by those propagandizing the problems with socialism. Adam Smith was extolling the virtues of a free market in a society that tolerated child labor and an indentured class.
     
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  13. scratcho

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    Monetary inequity is the main cause of the current problems in our society right now and has been for decades--maybe centuries. In ways obvious--the republicans just continually beg by their actions, it seems, for some kind of a revolution to make the distribution of capital more even. Just how long will the condition of multi billionaires be allowed to exist, let alone not pay their fair share of taxes, while the national debt rises, the infrastucture falls apart , with people starving and homeless in the streets, while the legislators make the laws that favor big business and themselves? They seemingly want it all and we should just shut up, take what we're grudgingly given and like it!
     
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  14. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    All the things Americans feared about socialism have come true under capitalism. They work long hours for low pay, they have no real input in society because an elite 1% control the system. You will probably just die alone or in the street once you are old and have no value to the economy anymore.

    You can't really afford college unless you go for free on a football scholarship. Rent is about $500 higher per month on average than it was 10 years ago but minnium wage is the same. You would be lucky to make $500 from one of your two monthly checks working full time for minnium wage. Those elites shame you for even asking. How dare you hate the glorious American system. Kind of sounds like allegiance to the USSR doesn't it? If you look at interviews from the 1960's and 70's those people bought into that system. They swore life was perfect for them and it was so confusing for Americans who at that time had real opportunity in their life.

    There are many countries in the world with very conservative Republican style views but they still proudly say they are socialist. Americans are brainwashed to think the dog eat dog poverty they live in is the only acceptable way to be "free". These type of Americans often say the 1950's were the great times but they don't seem interested in the economics. You didn't need a college degree to support a family of 5 then because of socialist taxes and unions. Now you need a masters and 4 years of expedience to work at Starbucks because of a capitalist free market gone wild.

    The wealth gap only grows and there is nothing a capitalist loves more than when you blame someone like an immigrant or the Democrats for them being a good capitalist and screwing you.
     
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  15. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    In the sense that they see their community as something they need to care for yes. So things like paying tax for others healthcare or so they can eat is not a problem. Whereas Americans refuse to show this kind of empathy. The underlying principal of capatilsim is that you should not and will not help anyone else in need. Mixed markets continue to work for most of the world.
     
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  16. TrudginAcrossTheTundra

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    The biggest "inequity" driver is the disparity in the seriousness and diligence addressing the responsibility of parents to teach their children from infancy to excel.
     
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  17. Anyfun

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    Take examples from around the world and you will see many countries allow or encourage such activities. Some countries, go so far as allowing the conscription of a child military force. After all, it's the abuse of such power that ultimately lead you to make such a comment. Do I agree with the abuse of power from those that hold it? Certainly not. I feel, those in power (this includes anyone of influence, i.e. movie stars, athletes) should be held accountable to the same laws and punishment as everyone else. Because, justice should be impartial.

    As with many other countries, America, has a sad history of exploiting its populace. This doesn't excuse such actions. It does, however, show how easily and effectively an elected legislature (well, appointed really, because America is a democratic republic) can brush aside a person's rights, just as a monarchy can.

    There is plenty of blame to go around. To say "it's all this person's fault and they are to blame" starts such a vicious, downward spiral that it's not easy to stop. Yes, it is the fault of those that abuse power and exploit others. These actions and examples are wrong. It's our responsibility as human beings to not follow such an example and be better than they are.
     

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