Socialism is superior to capitalism

They may not realize the impact the loans will have on them later in life because of their lack of experience.

 

Martin Luther King was also a Democratic Socialist. America gives him a holiday every year because of his message of peace and equality. In a socialist country a student would pay a small fee or nothing to go to college each year. If an American wants to go to college in Norway they can for free. Probably a lot more students in recent years but in theory you could. But then you need to figure out how to buy anything or live in a country that charges high prices because people get paid.

Socialism is a good thing when mixed with the right amount of free markets. But the greater benefit of society depends on some markets forever remaining "not free" at the expense of a high tax rate on the country. But wages are also higher and the overall cost of daily living is cheaper. Doctors and businessmen still buy a Ferrari and 3 houses in Europe if they want one with these kind of taxes so I think the American spirit of money can survive a vocalist state. The average American will have a decent house and no Ferrari even if their ER visit is free.

“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/11-most-anti-capitalist-quotes-from-martin-luther-king-jr/

 

It's obvious from your discussion that you're talking in relative terms--degrees of socialism instead of pure socialism: in other words, a "mixed" economy. "Free Market" propagandists like to talk in terms of purity--either-or, all or nothing. The closest we've come to "pure" socialism are in countries like Cuba, which is authoritarian and not especially inviting. In Norway, the government controls key aspects of the national economy, and they also have one of the world's most generous welfare systems, and one of the highest standards of living in Europe. Most industry is privately owned but highly regulated. On the Heritage Foundation's Economic Freedom Index, they're ranked as "mostly Free", along with the U.S. and the U.K. Of course, oil and gas help a lot. Those resources have been nationalized, and oil and gas companies pay stiff taxes which still allow them a profit. Impurity has its advantages.

 

This is a good time to point out that the people of Norway are the happiest and richest people in the world. Every single Norwegian is a millionaire--in theory--because their government invested in oil. They have a small population and big surplus. The average wage in Norway is $58 per hour.

 

No, I am sorry... since they are socialist, they are a failure that is on the verge of collapse and also genocide.

Either that, or they are doing really well and the reason for that is because they are actually the opposite of socialism and only ignorant people call them socialist-- they are actually more capitalist than USA.

 

Well the Norse always have been known to be a genetically varied bunch.

 

If capitalism merely means getting rich on a national level by exporting oil then yes, Norway would be at least as capitalist as the USA. But how they spread the wealth on a national level... hey hm whats national socialism again?

 

Did you learn that from Alex Jones or Richard Spencer?

 

And nobody dare invade them to plunder their resources because their national defense system is so superior. Errr, wait...
their friends are strong and loyal... eh?

 

I wonder how different a world this would be today if the (horribly unfair but oddly productive) capitalist free market US didn't intervene in WW2.

Maybe a true socialist nirvana with a single government taxing every inhabitant in exchange for a pittance? Ah, the joy... it's no wonder these idealists hate the US and the precepts upon which it was founded and the prosperity which ensued.

 

Norway has relied on the American military for protection since the 1950's. Not sure what you are getting at but their military is small but well trained. They are equipped for guerilla tactics in the snow if need be. You don't need millions of men. Their neighbor Finland held back the USSR in WW2 doing this. Bur in current times the Russians have nukes and more tanks so Norway trains with the Americans.

 

Hmmm, I guess that's what I was getting at...

Socialism is awesome, if a big capitalist country has your back.

 

In law school they teach you that the government has power over every American because it has the power to regulate health, safety, and public morals. So, America's government already has its hands in health and safety, both wide fields. On public morals the argument has been: No constitutional authority. So, the first amendment has been a barrier to new laws in this area. But, with Trump and CO in office, I expect new attempts to get the rest of us to comply with their stupid fundamentalist vision.

 

There has never been true capitalism, or a true free market economy, ever. People who control the supply of goods and services always tweek the supply to inflate the demand to increase profits. There has never been a true FREE market anywhere. Similarly, the same goes for communism and socialism. The ones in power always ruin it for the ordinary people. That's how people get $500,000,000.00 loans from Qatar. That's how the US embassy gets relocated after some rich guy pays for the move. That's how a poor person stands in front of a car dealership looking and unable to buy anything.

 

I believe that is a fallacy born of benefactors of the social welfare system and propagated to bring dislike to the current president in order to discredit his efforts and diminish his popularity. Time will tell. But so far he shows every sign of standing for freedom for citizens and resident aliens. I haven't seen him declare any fundamentalist views much less suggest anyone be forced to comply with whatever they might be. Eh? Have you seen this, or are you simply party to seek to undermine him?

 

I sympathize with your plight. But only to a certain degree. I mean, pretty much anyone in this country can get a car, some car. You can make enough money flipping burgers in a month or two to purchase something that works. Not so in many other countries!

When I walk by and see people standing in front of a food cart digging in their pockets for coins to get a little bite to eat, somehow my pity for not being able to walk up to a car dealership and pull out the cash for a new car seems ill-placed.

"Under Castro, everyone was made to work to contribute to a new society, and those who did not do their fair share would get nothing to eat."

 

I've seen and heard him badmouth Muslims and Mexicans. I've seen and heard him insult native Americans and African Americans. Are you a Department of Justice Mole?

 

So when did you visit Cuba? Do you measure American success and happiness by flipping burgers and owning a $400 jalopy? Trump's inner circle members have enough money to calculate and figure out they would have had to earn $148,000.00 each day of their life for thirty years to have that in the bank. How does one person do that legally?.

 

Are you confused?

What does that have to do with "attempts to get the rest of us to comply with their stupid fundamentalist vision."



BTW, I've heard him badmouth and insult more people of his own race, so what, he's a traitor on top of a racist/culturist/religionist?
Yikes.

 

It's a hard reality but just try to put things in perspective. Almost anyone can become a millionaire in this country if they set out to and events work in their favor. That's much harder in most any other country, and nearly impossible in many. Check out Dave Ramsey for some guidance. Bitching about it and/or penalizing others won't help. That's not hip. Be thankful.

You can learn a lot visiting Cuba. Plus it's fun. Airfare is about half a domestic coast to coast flight, and you can get by on 20-25 bucks a day. A bit less per person if you go with somebody. The people will open up when you converse confidentiality. You'll need Spanish; I took a 45 year crash course.