Socialism is like life in a pandemic

Discussion in 'Socialism' started by 6-eyed shaman, Mar 17, 2020.

  1. I'm surprised not everyone knows what the ideals are.
     
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    By ideals I suppose you are referring to morals and ethics, otherwise you'll have to be more specific.

    This is a complicated subject probably more suited to the Philosophy section, but if you're sincerely interested I suggest you read Robert Pirsig's two books Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and Lila: An Inquiry into Morals.
     
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    well let’s just go with your ideals. Not going to read those books to become zen. I am already zen. Don’t need a book to tell me how to myself and compares me to a motorcycle that tells me I need maintenance.
    What ideals do you believe a country should adhere too, what mechanical maintenance does the USA citizens need?
     
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    Yes morals and ethics by the way
     
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    Already Zen, huh.

    Mechanical maintenance?
    I assume you're talking about healthcare.

    Some people believe civilization started with language, others agriculture, still others urbanization.
    Recently a prehistoric human foot bone was found in Israel that showed a serious fracture that would have debilitated the individual to whom it belonged. In the animal world a break such as this would have resulted in the animal's death as it couldn't hunt, flee from predators, find food, or keep up with a herd.
    But this fracture had healed.
    Many people point out this example as the beginning of civilization.
    Any civilization, society, or government can be reliably judged on how well it cares for it's weakest members, not it's richest.
    Ideally.

     
  6. stormountainman

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    I read that forty eight years ago! You making me feel old!
     
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    I've read it a number of times.
    Brilliant.
     
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    I'm not sure but seem to remember it was published in the early seventies?
     
  9. I think we'd be surprised if we got to the actual roots of civilization.
     
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  10. But anyway, one American ideal is that a family of three shouldn't be living on the street in a tent.
     
  11. MeAgain

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    Lila, an Inquiry into Morals was published in 1991, Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance in 1974.
     
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    Thank you. I knew it was sometime during the 70s. I've never read Lila, but knew two Arab-American women by that name, from around south eastern Ohio.
     
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    I have never figured out what brand his little motorcycle was. I kept thinking it was a small BSA, or Triumph, or maybe even a little old Honda 350? I was never able to look at a big disgusting Hardly Dangerous motorcycle again! I made the trip from Minnesota to Bozeman in my Ford Hippy Van, but on a bike.
     
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    It was a 1966 Honda CB77F Super Hawk. 305cc.Very small bike by today's standards.
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    In my view Lila is superior to Zen.
     
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    HOW? How did you find out? I remember from the story that his son used to stand on the back of the bike and look over his father's shoulder at the end of the book. I thought is was some form of enlightenment. The son learned right along with the father?
     
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    It's on the net.
    His son, Chris, was murdered in a hold up in1979 when he left the San Francisco Zen Center. He was 22.
     
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    Oh no! That's horrible. I just found all that info on the web and saw the pictures. I just loved Zen & Motorcycle. I am going to read Lila. I'm curious about any symbolic stuff with Middle Eastern wisdom. I saw Pirsig lived in Banaras India. I studied lots of Hindi and Zoroastrian stuff because of one special prof I had at Colorado State.
     
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    Please, if you do read the book start a thread in the Philo section so we can discuss it.
     
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    Hey! That sounds fabulous! I'll order it from Amazon today!
     
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