Socialism is like life in a pandemic

I disagree that America is a capitalist society.

The bailouts of 2008 were a disgrace. And an example of the corporatist economic model that runs America.

Oh yeah, like a mandatory $15 minimum wage won't devalue the currency at all.

Right, and I own 50 shares of Gillette stock

Sharing toilet paper??
Gross

Umm, you realize that Robin Hood stole from rich politicians who were overtaxing the peasant class, right? He was giving back the money the tyrants were robbing from the taxpayers

Even Disney's Robin Hood movie pointed this out

 

Capitalists: "People should earn what they get by providing goods and services that others willingly pay for"

Socialists: "I should get stuff for free, paid for by others!"

Which one of these is motivated by greed?

 

not greedy at all. Socialism convinces you of this. I am far from a millionaire, billionaire, or rich. As giving as I can possibly be without being on the street. Is that what you want?

a grotesquely out of balance system that was run by socialists prior, it was still grotesquely unbalanced. Lenin was a socialist by the way,

so you say! Who was the one to promote Russia within this thread? No I! Looks up to the people who are promoting this revolution against the working class, and not working class? Who was the one to throw out, falsely the race card? You can not control people. Not everyone falls in line to dictate. How much power do you want over others and how they think? Who is selfish here?
Is it selfish to say, I can’t afford it?
Is it selfish to say I can’t afford it so you have to pay for me? Give more money to the government so I can afford to pay for what you work hard for? Just to live? I don’t need much.

Do you want each working person to be forced to pay into healthcare? A government system that is not fair rates to the people?

how long has welfare and assistance been available in the USA? Do you think it is going to go up in smoke? Vanish? It isn’t and it started in the USA prior to the Great Depression.

now everyone working pays a small amount. Approximately 2% of your earnings goes into FICA towards healthcare, but that is not all. Your employer has to pay for it as well. Since 1990 OMG Bush did this, a Republican! Your employer has to pay 6.5 percent approx of gross compensation to FICA for social security. and an additional 2 percent approx for employees healthcare. There are adjustments to this amount as well with inflation. So 15-16% is given to fica for these services, If you are self employed you have to cover this all yourself.

Now, you have two medical options, funded by taxes charged. So you have Medicaid, which provides inpatient and out patient health care coverage, I seem to recall someone, won’t mention names, laughing when I mentioned helping out a friend in the USA because they said that is for old people. LOL they did, making a mockery & people’s struggles in life, as if old people are a joke, where was the compassion? Non existent. Hate old people, obviously. Well it isn’t, it is available to people who disabilities as well. Not just old people that were laughed at. this is available to people who can’t afford it and are citizens. Free! Includes medication, prescriptions, healthcare, etc. Medicare does not cover the extras. It isn’t free, taxes pay for it,

the individual also suggestion that it is Obamacare is Medicaid. It isn't! Medicaid and Medicare are government funded. Obama care on the other hand benefitted private health insurance companies. It put tax payers money in the hands of private insurance plans, which quite honestly sucks according to a friend in Connecticut who could get help at all with Obamacare, also limited her to her state for severe endometriosis. Could not go into nyc to a special clinic for this condition, where there was a really good clinic to help her. So obama fucked thing up severely. Put tax money in the hands of an insurance company that offered a shifty package that you just had to accept that offered little help in needed care. But still people swear by it.

Now, if these benefits are offered to people who are not citizens, and/or never contributed to the system, the tax will rise. States like California who insist on promoting and allowing slave labour, promote it even for greed. Demand more tax payers money to support slave labour undocumented healthcare, it will go belly up for everyone. I see a problem with this. No concern for the country and the people within as a whole. 214.7 TRiLION dollar budget for healthcare in Cali. 148 billion in ny. 29 billion in Alabama 132.5 billion In Florida $60 billion In Minnesota, which is where I was.

now, as someone who helped a friend, navigated the system in the USA, I can say it is better than what we have in Canada, at a fraction of the cost. It is true I don’t want to pay taxes, in order to care for people who are not citizens, just can’t afford too. As I mentioned before, working from January to the end of August all goes to the government. What we get for that is garbage when compared to your system there, we are slaves to the government and what we pay is abused and wasted, The money has been abused by socialist and made us slaves. When things get bad, it comes down to you. When you vote it is about you. How this will effect you. Not how this will effect the every day working man or citizen of the USA,

now I see people shitting on Christianity and the church. Sure it isn’t perfect, some dodgy characters in it who have thankfully become known and people are aware. They are also the largest group who offer services to homeless, mentally ill and the elderly in the USA. Most of it is not full of racist people and hateful people like some want to promote. But let’s just look at the terrible things rather than look at all the great things they have and are doing today. Out on the front lines, actually helping the people, going out, giving out blankets, etc, . But it seems this is shit on by the left as well. In the USA these so called socialist beliefs have their basis in the Christian religion in the USA. But let’s make a mockery of it and start the church of satin and be tax exempt. It is abuse as a non profit group in order to lobby, Abolitionist were christians. Quakers We’re christians.

Considering my background, I know they have done some shitty things, but I can also recognize the good they are doing today as well out in the community.. Thankfully it is not like it was, and could use more changes in areas too. These acts are not selfish acts. I was raised with a belief that probably differs from many.

So call me a capitalist all you want. Is this a dirty word? You clearly have no clue as to what I am, and how much I care about me, and others. I can’t save the world but I can tell my government to care of the people here. Stop putting yourself in politics elsewhere and worry about the people under your rule! Care about us! Not based on ones religion or the colour of skin, but us! The progressives think of the people within, reduce our taxes and stay in the budget. Socialists don’t and makes the people slaves for a government that doesn’t care and sends the taxes overseas, and spends on people who are not a part of the system in place for all canadians.

 

I don’t know. This strikes me as a pretty good topic here. Quite an open and honest conversation by all, with the exception of a few. Which has been much more constructive than say anti trump threads. . He has brought up some great points and I fail to see the trolling by him.

 

it got so ugly under bob rae. it is ugly the game that is played in socialism. It is extremely divisive and used to shame and belittle people. I don’t like it.

 

Correction 428.6 billion in California’s for healthcare, which you pay for in taxes, when you compare that to o5her states, Americans are being screwed by california greed and abuse with slave labour. California government greed imo.

the total budget is $3.65 trillion by the federal government. California taking the lions share. This is not ok with me and I don’t live there, Other states suffer because of this selfishness.

to add, in 2016, under Obama the budget was $ $3.3 trillion For shitty care. But hey let’s shit on trump

 

really interesting 6eyed. Looks like this virus came along at the right time for them. To gather funds to combat this virus and create panic. How much did your government give? I know trudeau was quick to give give give to WHO! What does WHO actually do? Nothing as far as I am concerned. They are good for submitting a list of medical schools with subpar education and promoting individuals with subpar education and training. Just pay them money to be on their list. So now they are exploiting this virus in order to help out with their abused reserve fund. Sick socialism at work here. Clearly they have abused the monies given to the socialist cause.. 30 million reserve fund. Unbelievable.

 

I don't know, MeAgain. Adding words to a term does, in fact, make it a new term that differs in specific meaning than the previous one. That's how the English language works.

 

so you provide that link. Do you know how much the USA has given the UN this year? Over 10 billion. 7.8 billion for peach keeping missions. 1.2 billion, to keep them Going. 600 000 for their dues. And the UN only has 30 million in reserves, are desperate and are exploiting covid19 to profit and fill their coffers. Now you have complaints that the USA hasn’t done enough. Do you think doctors should be forced to go to Italy here? If they wanted to go there they could find a way. Do you want your president to send doctors to Italy when they are needed in the USA. He isn’t stopping people, he isn’t forcing them either. This is a perfect example of grandstanding. His contribution has far exceeded Obama, yet the socialist Russia and socialist state Cuba are the good guys here? Seriously, wake up.

the problem is that this is bs propaganda. Look at cruel trump not forcing doctors like Cuba and Russia. Are they the good guys here? Seems to me left leaning news sources want to see them this way. And people hate their president because clearly, Russia and Cuba have a better government and people. Is it at all possible that getting to leave, possibly dying is better than staying?

un are so guilty if extortion. The us has paid close, possiblymore tthan 30% for everything regarding their wants. And trump says, can’t right now,the people here need my help, they are my first responsibility, and he is shit on for it, by the full on, totally socialist UN.

that link is pure progaganda

 

Yeah I hear you.

Maybe we need to just come up with single words for these different forms of socialism, make it less confusing.

 

Democratilism....


Yeah, doesn't quite "roll off the tongue"

 

But I will say, those billions of dollars of payments trump has been blackmailed through the media, in order to fall in line, in an attempts to get him to give more to the UN. could have been kept back to help the services the government does provided. Businesses down, the funds for those services may not be there, people out of work, panic, stay away, don’t talk to anyone as the left news continue to promote all that isn’t right. Their concerns should not be to promote Cuba and Russia as the good guys here. It is really sick the way the media has brainwashed everyone. The help will be there for the sick and disabled, I have no problem with this, but it won’t be there for the entire country. Trump will be blamed, which is ridiculous.

 

We can see that Capitalism does not work. We can see everyday that Capitalism is a failed economic theory. Capitalism cannot exist for long without market expansion, meaning its economic activity is always in need of market demand. Without market demand, Capitalism stops dead in its own tracks. Capitalism is also flawed because it concentrates money into the pocket of very few rich men. And as we just witnessed during these last few weeks, when a nation is faced with a socio-economic crisis, the government has no choice but to implement the remedies of Socialism. The common everyday people in America need the stability and government services which are intrinsic in a Socialist for of government. During this next election in November, we need to vote out all the greedy crony capitalists out of office.

 

Russia is a communist-capitalist(for the few" )dictatorship country. Who is promoting Russias way of governing? Yes , it is sick the way Breitbart and Fox "news" have brainwashed MANY. Not everyone--just many.

All I see is continual straw man statements.

 

I'll try again: Did trump pay 25 million dollars to preclude having to testify in court regarding his "real estate school"?

 

Also, why is he going and fighting all the way to the Supreme Court to prevent congressional investigator from having a look at his tax and business records? Why did Deutsche Bank lend him hundreds of millions when others would not?

 

yes as the A.N.S.W.E.R police are out in droves ready to quarantine the opposition at socialist marches with roap. Sending them to the gulag,. While these socialist groups march and organize with the likes of A.N.S.W.E.R. coalition, they are funded by communist groups and Anti-Israel and antisemitic content has marked events. But shhh, don’t mention this. Don’t point out the racism ripe within. Anti imperialist is what they pretend to be about, but this isn’t really true. Just look to the leaders and what and who they are affiliated with. Sorry, I just can’t support Hezbollah and jihad council. Just can’t feel bad for Bashar Assad either, as they are want to do.

 

Not to be a dick, but it is "wont to do," not "want to do." Just thought I'd let you know, as I've seen that mistake a couple of times on these boards now. I am a stickler for language.