So you killed Jesus eh?

How does that feel? To have an innocent man suffer and die so you can live in heaven for ever and ever and ever and ever without end? I refused to, so I wouldn't know.

So, how's it feel?

 

Jesus has a dysfunctional family.

 

Who do you think you're talking to? Pontius Pilate? Hate to be the messenger of bad news but he died some time ago.

 

He could be referring to the Jews who handed Jesus over to Pilate on a silver platter

 

Oh yeah, and those jewish folks are still alive and breathing?

 

I don't know maybe to those who not only think it's ok to have an innocent man suffer and die so they can live forever in heaven, but who also fight to hold on to that way of thinking and who teach others to do the same.

I think if I were God i'd be more than just a little pissed, hence the great tribulation and the end of days of that perverted sense of judgement/justice.

 

Hey... I didn't do it.


It was those other guys.

 

It's crazy, instead of embracing Jesus and his teachings they throw him under a bus. Instead of hearing his word and doing it, instead of honoring his life, they do the exact opposite and champion the way he died. Instead of not judging they judge, instead of forgiving they seem to chomp at the bit to see people in hell, instead of giving hope they take it away, instead of being honest and truthful they lie.

Is it ok for someone innocent to suffer and die for what they did so they can be happy in heaven? Us it ok for any innocent person suffer and die so another can get a get outta hell free card?

A little honesty and truth is in order. It is required ...

 

Ok, so you're basically asking why and how people still believe in the christian salvation story.
But no christian today had a say in Jesus' death. I bet the majority of them with what they know today wouldn't crucify the human incarnation of their God alive. Thing is: that's not how it works. No christian crucified Jesus, and no christian or jewish person alive in the last 1900 years is responsible in any way for His death neither. So asking these people how it feels seems a bit pointless

 

You realize you're mixing up two different group of people here? The ones who 'threw him under the bus' and the ones who bestowed some divinity upon him.

 

But He said, "Father, forgive them they know not what they do." at some point. That's going to go a long way toward forgiveness in that regard.

I count myself among the sinners who reap the benefits of His sacrifice, but not as one responsible for His earthly demise...

 

Perhaps not in the flesh but you can be sure their Golem is still alive

 

Arguable as well as irrelevant.

 

Like I know some things man. Is it ok to champion an innocent man's crucifixion, suffering, and death so they can get out of the wages of what they deem to be sin? You know ... Death.

They do it for eternal life in heaven after all and that's my point. I'm an ordained minister who had been in the trenches for over 25 years, and people like me only have so much patience. 25 years worth of the bull and I can't stand it anymore. My patience ran out and I have a job to do. Too many of the flock have been lead astray and are lost to offer another ounce of patience.

 

I saw you mention in another thread that you weren't an ordained minister in the standard christian sense (forgot what kind ordained minister you are), so couldn't it be you're focussing on the flock of a different religious branch?

 

Father forgive them for they know not what they do or at what they stumble. A proverbs reference ... The stumble one I mean. Wine if violence and bread of wickedness.

But yeah, Jesus knew they fucked up then and people should understand how bad they fuck up today by honoring that shit. I honor Jesus, his teachings, his life purpose, but I refuse to honor the whole I'm using your suffering and death to get outta hell card. It's wrong! There's no other way around it. They boast the scriptures and Jesus and do nothing but reverse the intent and meaning and only to save themselves.

Life isn't complicated. Be responsible and accountable, harm none, and be happy. Eat drink and be happy. Why they gotta use an innocent man's suffering and death, deny what has been given as in the good things in life, deny others of the same, and wait for a maybe that might come after?

 

Life is as life does. Life involves many things. Life can be great and would be and damn sure should be if the would be and wanna be true faitherss understood a thing about being responsible and accountable and embracing how God made them quite naturally instead if denying that and forsaking the pleasurble and good things in life. No they gotta judge and condemn and deny they're made in God's image and instead rebel against the very fabric of their being .. and Gods!

 

Maybe they're judging people for the same reasons you are.

 

You think? Based on responsible behavior and being accountable or for irresponsible behavior and refusing to be accountable?