So what's up with these 3c-x compounds?

Discussion in 'Synthetic Drugs' started by Hedgeclipper, Oct 3, 2013.

  1. Hedgeclipper

    Hedgeclipper Qiluprneeels Nixw

    I've never heard of them before...
     
  2. gendorf

    gendorf Senior Member

    Its in PIHKAL I think.. Instead of 2 carbon on the molecule there is 3...
     
  3. Hedgeclipper

    Hedgeclipper Qiluprneeels Nixw

    I thought it was the ether group on the left ortho position and also the no3 instead of no2. Apparently 3c-p is the 3 carbon homologue of proscaline and is more chemically similar to mescaline than 2c-p, for example...

    then again I'm not too good with this stuff

    I was asking more about the subjective effects than the differences in chemistry...
     
  4. porkstock41

    porkstock41 stay positive and love your life ~311

    i know at least 3C-E is in PiHKAL. since 2ce was my first RC, and a long time favorite of mine...i was always interested in anything that structurally resembled it. 3C-E was one of them, as well as "MEM."

    but my most recent online reading about 3C-E makes it sound less appealing to me. not exactly sure why, maybe because i'm not really looking to add to my collection.
     
  5. Hedgeclipper

    Hedgeclipper Qiluprneeels Nixw

    Hey porck, you know your Organic better than me, don't you? Can you explain the key differences in chemical structure between 3c and 2c's?
     
  6. CannbisSouL

    CannbisSouL Smoke 'till you toke. Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Instead of having methoxy groups at the 2,5 substitution positions, you have them at 3,5. So thus 3C-x instead of 2C-x.

    But also, where in 2C-E there is an ethyl group on the 4th position, the 3C-E compound has an ethoxy functional group there instead. In all of the 3C-X compounds the 4th position which would usually be occupied by an alkane chain is instead occupied by an alkoxy group with the same number of carbons.

    Mescaline is 3,4,5-trimethoxy phenethylamine, which is more similar to the 3C-X compounds than the 2C-X ones. The 2C-X compounds have substitutions at 2,4,5 positions while the 3C-X compounds are substituted at 3,4,5.

    However the 3C-X compounds also sport a 3 carbon chain to which the amine group is attached as opposed to a 2 carbon chain in the 2C-X compounds.


    Those are the main differences I can spot.
     
  7. Hedgeclipper

    Hedgeclipper Qiluprneeels Nixw

    you explained this way better than our hat-wearing asian jewish friend did (if you know who I mean). I get it now. And I see why it's a homologue of proscaline too, because that thingy on the left is a propoxy.
     
  8. CannbisSouL

    CannbisSouL Smoke 'till you toke. Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    3C-E actually appears to be the analogue of escaline, with an ethoxy chain in the 4th position. 3C-P would be the analogue of proscaline, I believe. :D
     
  9. porkstock41

    porkstock41 stay positive and love your life ~311

    CS, you nailed it, except they are called 3C-x because of the 3 carbons on the nitrogen chain. 2C-x have only two carbons. they just happen to also be substituted at the 3, and 2 positions respectively.

    but they are named for the number of carbons in the nitrogen chain.
     
  10. Hedgeclipper

    Hedgeclipper Qiluprneeels Nixw

    That;s what I was saying, 3c-p would me the analogue of proscaline. isnt' that what I wrote?

    e: oop no I didn't. I was using 3c-p vs 2c-p as an example when i was looking at it

    And thanks porck, I always thought it was do to the substitution position
     
  11. CannbisSouL

    CannbisSouL Smoke 'till you toke. Lifetime Supporter HipForums Supporter

    Good catch sir!
    Looks like I need to improve on my research chemical nomenclature :afro:
     
  12. gendorf

    gendorf Senior Member

    mescaline:
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    2c-e
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    3c-e (escaline)
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    source: wikipedia
     
  13. Hedgeclipper

    Hedgeclipper Qiluprneeels Nixw

    proscaline:

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    3c-p

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    I get it... so mescaline has methoxy and proscaline has propoxy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3rhQc666Sg"]The more you know - YouTube

    At the end of the day, though, I'd waaaay rather take mescaline than any other drug. Pointe finale.
     
  14. gendorf

    gendorf Senior Member

    yeah.. Ill send another pm like before :wink:
     

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