So What's The Deal With The Confederate Flag Anyway?

The founding fathers set up the nation so the states could succeed and rejoin the union at their own will. The federal government was designed to be a lot less influential than it is today. The pledge of allegiance was not written by founding father, but rather a Christian socialist and central authoritarian named Francis Bellamy more than 100 years afterward. The whole "one nation under god" "and to the republic for which it stands" lines were written to indoctrinate the next generations of Americans to believe all power belongs to the Feds and to minimize state's rights. The original United States operated like small independent republics under a union, but ever since Lincoln, that has never been the same. Had the south won, there's a possibility they may have rejoined the union later once tariffs and economic tensions subsided. The civil war was never about slavery either. And the northern states were not a safe haven for blacks either. If they were, then why did Harriet Tubman's Underground Railroad lead to Canada instead of ending at the northern states? Some residents of the northern states were bounty hunters who made a living capturing runaway slaves and selling them back to the south. Many nations in South America and the Caribbean abolished slavery peacefully. Ever since Lincoln, no state has ever been brave enough to succeed from the union. The civil war was the greatest economic catastrophe the US has ever seen. Millions of lives, families, cities, and properties were destroyed because of it. Lincoln got most of his wealth by marrying into the Todd family, who acquired most of their wealth through the slave trade. He also wanted to deport all blacks to Liberia to keep the new western states white. Heck, even Oregon had a law that prohibited black people from living here when it first established statehood in 1859. For all of this, Lincoln deserves to be acknowledged as the worst president this country ever had. The confederate flag is a symbol of what America was supposed to be: to rebel when your oppressive government becomes too tyrannical. That said, I'm not the type of person who dons the confederate flag.

 

If the confederate flag is a symbol of racism, why did Obama and the Clintons use it for their campaigns?

 

Not surprising at all, and so far IMO we have a few very good conversations going on right now and I've learned a lot from them. So IMO this is a very good thread that allowed a lot of people, even random members, to come in and have a say.

Isn't that the idea of a forum? Expressions of interest? Maybe I'm doing this wrong. I best go make a thread about watching my wife get fucked by other men. :unsure:

 

The deal with the Confederate flag right now is it's being used to cloud other issues... Just sayin'

 

Oh, brilliant retort...and not even denying the supremacist values accusation. Very nice

 

Whatever your problem is, is your burden. Not mine. I won't deny any of your stories and tales. they obviously mean a lot to you.

 

i love that schools in germany cover the american civil war as much as american schools do. of course, good luck hearing about anyone else's wars in an american school.

personally, it means "ah shit, here come the inbred idiots." it doesn't have anything to do with racism in its common usage around here; there's usually black kids in the groups of rednecks that like to display it. it's basically just a sign that the person who has it on their shitty pickup truck with the giant tires is a fan of bad country music and thinks it's really cool to do donuts on the beach within 10 feet of kids playing in the sand.

 

Makes sense to me!

 

This country has gone INSANE is the problem!!!!


Those flags have been there YEARS and no one has said anything until now??

Its a bunch of rubbish.......

 

To we of the darker races, displaying a confederate flag is the equivalent of someone spray painting a Swastika outside a Jewish synagogue

Hotwater

 

i agree, she should definitely remove those flags.

 

What is up with those nasty fake tits. If your going to get implants they may as well be the same size.

 

Maybe they were on sale?

 

I sincerely hope she didn't pay full price for those. She must have though, since she now can't afford a bikini that fits.

 

i believe al sharpton and jessie jackson have answered this question. rather obviously its not entirely about the flag itself, but the whole context of its having been flown.

in each of their segments on friday's democracy now, i think they explained "what's with it" rather well.

 

I was reading about a town in brazil where 10,000 confederates migrated after the war. Their descendents have a festival every year to commemorate the confederate war. The flag is everywhere, judging by the pictures I saw. I was all reading its not uncommon to see black people there because Brazil is such a mixed society and many of the descendents had children with people of African descent.

I actually thought this was fairly awesome, not in the least bit offensive. The difference being, this town in Brazil didn't put the flag on top of a government building to protest the right of black people to eat in whites only restaurant or attend whites only schools. Context is everything.