So what happend after...?

Wow, this thread opened my eyes to some new concepts. rygoody, thank you. that post was long, but it explained so perfectly what is going on inside my own mind. I also agree with the pp, psychedelics can be the key to opening the door, but your mind has to step through.

 

strong post rygoody

i do that energy thing all the time, i never quite realized it though. i just think of it as looking at things from an associative perspective...nature's point of view... and remember that all other "cobwebs" are fabrications of mankind.

 

it is largely just an automated process, it certainly isn't something you learn, per se
like you say, you just do it automatically, almost, in typical thought process, it is just a normal function of operating your brain

but when you get caught up on some things, it is good to analyze these functions of yourself a little bit, bring them to conscious light so then you can apply a little bit of your conscious will to aid the process

I do wonder though. Does all insanity reside in the realm of metaphor and the inability to let some of it go because your unaware that you can?
Or is insanity when you run into a metaphor so powerful, it doesn't let you go.
Almost as though some metaphors are so intristically complex, they just sort of invade parts of your psyche more than you are aware of.
Which if you consider for a moment, a demon or angel may just be energy manifested to form by metaphorical understanding of that energy. It does make me wonder what the possibilities are. Although I guess in the context of an angel, the metaphor would be so good you wouldn't want to let it go.

 

IMO->No. You are more likely to have another bad trip, now that you have had one. It's not worth risking your health (mental) over.

 

i know i can be very strong in my presentation of my perspective and that sometimes people feel like i am attacking. i have been trying to adapt or adopt an easier to handle/ understand approach. i feel like you(peter popper) are being influenced by some people with questionable motives. i am disgusted by some of what you have said in this thread and i guess i made that much clear. i am happy to hear that you are not upset with me for it.

on to your next point and question. glad you mention this. i am not surprised that you think i am the kind of person who wants to live out in a hut or something. i think i have mentioned something to that effect once or twice. so i will go into detail for you as i have spent a lot of mental energy looking for solutions...

seeing that this goes way off topic and i have so much to say i am starting a new thread ...

http://hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3933683#post3933683

 

First of all, I didnt shut down the thread, and there was no reason to shut it down UNLESS the off topic posts were to continue.
Im not here to make this forum a land of sunshine and happyness where we all hug each other and sing songs, I realize that arguments are inevitable. But when they go off topic, that is against the rules of the forum, and thus they will be closed. Thats all there is to it. Im not trying to tell you what to do, other than to post appropriatley.
It was just a warning.

 

rofl, "land of sunshine and happyness where we all hug each other and sing songs"

i think so. the ones who go insane just get in too deep imo.

peter popper, i think you're going to drive yourself nuts with all these "perspectives"..
stop letting society control you, and trust nature.

the way i look at it, there's associative, and unassociative.. that's all you need to know.

 

i am sure that you could probably guess that i would not ever be in support of anyone’s post being deleted unless it was spam. free speech is something i feel is very important. none the less i hear what you are saying and i do my very best to present myself in a way that is respectable to other people on this forum as well as the moderators and the rules of the forum. i think that what relayer did was a good way to go - warn people or suggest that people change their tone or direction instead of deleting a post or thread. we all could use some advice now and again and it would be better to let people know how they could do better instead of saying that they no longer have a right to free speech. i respect the need for a moderator and i dont think they could have picked a better person to moderate this section of the forum. good work relayer!

if you ever think that i am out of line please feel free to let me know. any way that i can present myself that would be better for this forum would also be better for anything that i am a part of. the more i am accepted in a group the better i feel. i may not be able to change who i am or what i believe but i can change how i present myself and how i word things. i am continually trying to refine my communication techniques so that i am accepted and respected by all. if you were to go back and read some threads that i was a part of many months ago you would see that i used to be different. i am a work in progress and i am always open to hear anyone’s criticism.

i have noticed a big change in the way you (relayer) present yourself as well. i guess in some way we have been good for each other. we have but heads enough times to suggest that we both have some growing to do and i am happy to see that we are both coming along just fine. anyways,, off topic now, just wanted to make sure you understand that i am happy to have you as moderator.

if you do feel the need to delete one or more of my posts could you please send me a pm letting me know why so that i can continue to be a part of the forums without causing you the trouble of deleting any more of my posts. if i understand what i did that was out of line i can avoid repeating the mistake. i trust that you will not delete anyones post without good reason. i am pretty sure that we will not have any problems with you deleting my posts as i plan on being respectful but i have been known to be an asshole in the past so this is why i ask that you be kind enough to take the time to enlighten me instead of just deleting me.

 

Agreed 3xi. I am honestly not here to be the bully, and I have deleted maybe a handful of threads in the past couple of weeks, most for spam and for the posting of source of illeagle chemicals. Just so everyone knows, when you sign up here, you agree to terms and conditions that we are all required to respect. Personal attacks and obviously off topic posts are unwelcomed, and I just want to make everyone aware of that. Another member is helping to clean the forums up, salmon4me, and we are NOT here to tell people they cant speak their minds.
We can speak our opinion of each other without resorting to offensive comments. And CHAIN, I know you were joking, but its the kind of posts like "eff you moderator nazi" or whatever you said that just will no longer be tolerated here. I let it go for two reasons, one is becuase it was funny, and two because I was just warning you guys and not trying to just delete whatever offends me, because as the moderator I am to represent all of you here.

 

congrats on becoming mods Salmon4me and Relayer. As, for bad trip advice, I am no where near qualified enough to give it. I haven't even had a seriuously bad trip on any substance yet.

 

PeterPopper,

Though LSD can give a lot of beneficial perspectives, I think it's the users responsibility to be logical about the perspective it is offering them. We know physically that LSD does not "fry" a persons brain, nor has any relation to an 'acid' which would burn. It can definitely screw somebodys thought process up, but that's when you gotta take a look at the situation from the outside. How much fun can you have in your life nowadays if it isn't by a drug? That's something I choose to look at. Remember growing up (if this is the case), enjoying things whole heartedly for what they were and actually wanting things that you didn't take to alter your consciousness? Could they exist again?

I don't think LSD should be used by people who can't have fun outside of the illicit drug-consuming community, unless it opens their eyes to the other obvious pleasures in the world. If you do not have a life outside of drug using, what does it matter which perspective it offers? Harder drugs won't allow you to pursue a typical and happy life, they drag you down. Even LSD can sometimes for certain people, and oddly enough it does the exact opposite for others. I guess it does effect all differently, but I guess there's a perspective I have to offer on this. I do agree LSD can shut some doors, (like the door that once shut out LSD), but who wants that door anyway. Lol. Na in all seriousness, it can in some ways.. But for others, the exact opposite. And that's just how it goes really for that kind of stuff. Just remember, LSD isn't the enemy. I have the best wishes for you, you should try going sober for a little while, or chill with some friends who don't use (anything). Try something :\

Alcohol and ligher partying isn't exactly a good-clean route, because I'm sure 5 years from now some of these strictly alcohol/weed partiers will move on eventually to other things that suck for them (most of the time I see it being 'coke'). But in your case, it definitely would be a smarter route for now, and possibly fun.. I can imagine it hard to cleanse yourself of a pill habit, once one learns their pleasure it's hard not to give them a second thought. I'm personally glad I've never done opiates or stimulates, and have no plan on it.

Anyway peace out man

 

I think it is called acid because it melts away the veils of false reality and intricate thought processes which cause people to become stuck in their ways.

 

actually it's called acid because thats in the actual chemical name. why its slang is probably for negative connotation.. did you know "marijuana" was originally supposed to have a negative connotation, thats why it was come up with?

popper, i just think you need some true friends.

 

Peter,
If there is nobody you can share what you are feeling, than rather don't. Don't just pop the pills because everybody around you is doing it. Try going to the nature more often, fishing is almost like acid. You sit by the watter and enjoy the sounds of the nature, sound of the watter,birds, crickets...... Much before I started using drugs, that was my runaway from society witch sucks. My work makes me live very fast, and every now and then I need to slow down. I used to go fishing almost every weekend or every second, and it used to full my batteries so I can cope with living in the society. Somehow nature is healing no matter what needs to be healed, body or mind.
So, if you don't have true friends, you can turn to nature for a while until you get better and sober (both from drugs and alcohole). I don't know, thats how I was coping with problematic times in my life.
Anyway, whatever you decide, make sure it is YOU who wants that, don't do anything because others will not exept you if you don't do it.

 

thanks again for all the amazing posts.

im feeling better day by day and im starting to see the light, and brush off the negative trip in a much better mental way.
the frightfullness has subsided alot and im in a much better postive mind frame.

turns out well, me and my friends are gettin 40 gell tabs this weekend.
so while i think i dont want to do shrooms again, not just cause it was a shit trip, but because well, i think shrooms are crap compared to acid. in that, shrooms leave you with jumbled thoughts and a bit 'wacked'. whereas acid leaves you clear headed and amazing, and you know i even had 2 frightfull acid trips and nothin happened after that like what happened after the shrooms.

i dont plan on trippin this weekend, but i will the next friday, my birthday. and im thinkin new years again aswell, or maybe acid isnt a good new years drug. and its only like 3 days after so tolerance n' all that. so we'll see how we feel.

but in my mind, i feel a postive acid trip would return me to an even more postive state of mind, like how it was before the shit shroom trip.
ofcourse if things go bad, im gonna have some anti-psychotics on hand, and chug 3/4 a bottle of vodka to remove the memory from my mind. bad idea?

me and my friends arent to afraid to take most drugs, but when it comes to acid, its like, well is this the trip thats gonna make me psychotic. prob a bad state of mind.

i was at work and when my friend called me yesterday about the acid, afterwards i had the 2 most intense flashbacks iv had yet. mind you i hadnt had a flashback in a month. i was in the kitchen and all of a sudden everything got all weird, and everything was in fast motion and textures looked ultimatly detailed. i took a sip of soft drink out of a glass and it was like it was on fast forward.
then walkin down the corridor i turned my head to the left quickly and my whole vision was morphed for a second then the 2x fast motion happend.
mind you it was good and made me feel happier. and made me remember acid, and im like "oh yeah! thats a good state of mind to be in"
pretty mild flashbacks compared to others im sure.

but oh yeah! do you think taking acid in 1.5 weeks is a good idea?

 

ya, i think that L is an easier trip in a lot of ways when compared to shrooms. as long as you are positive you will be fine - great actually. and yes it is very dangerous to wonder every time you do acid if this will be the trip that turns you psycho. eventually, whether you like it or not you will create what you fear so much. the thing is that even i would get that thought coming through my head before i tripped. not anymore but when i was younger. i think it was because of all the mixed views around me. so many people that i knew were afraid of the drug that it made me a bit hesitant. although i did have some bad trips i turned out just fine. eventually you want to get to a place that you know that you will have a great trip and that there is no reason to fear otherwise - this is definitely something that comes with experience. the more you trip the more comfortable you will be with the whole experience. it is very hard now a days to approach LSD with no fear when so many people fear it. something brings you to the drug and if you keep coming back you will see that there was never anything to fear.

 

Bad idea Peter. Of course, you won't listen anyway. So go ahead and do what you have to do.

 

the trip will be good. were gonna trip late afternoon, have a bitt of day light. and usually when i trip we all trip after we finish work at like 11 on a fri/sat, and were drained and tired. so this time we all got the night off.

then after new years were goin camping somwhere spectacular, and have the trip of our lives. the trip that changes things forever.

 

And what about fishing?