smacking the cane the ruler the slipper whomping

well, i think too many kids are treated like adults in the eyes of the law, except, of course, in sex cases. how many times have you seen some story about a kid committing some brutal crime, and they are then tried as an adult? too many, i think. THEY'RE NOT ADULTS. they don't think like adults, they don't perceive like adults, they don't understand like adults. brain scans show they don't even have the level of frontal lobe activity and control that adults do until their twenties. for fuck's sake, i know we're supposed to be all pc about this and treat everyone like an adult, but they're not. you don't teach a class to an adult the same way you teach that class to a small child. why do we think we can apply one broad brush to every person?

 

My point made. If you read me more closely I'm not arguing kids should be treat like adults; (although I was becoming a little random and referring to the wrong thread). Hitting needs to be used to educate, used often it becomes destructive. This isn't an attack on parents struggling with out of control kids but general enough to be just common sense. We also need to decide are we talking about toddlers or young adults.

 

i spanked my eldest daughter's butt once. it was HORRIBLE. it broke my heart. she ran away from me in abject terror and tried to get out the front door. it was one swat on a bare bottom when i caught her (at 16months) about to jump off a table. man. i'll never EVER forget that look in her eyes. fuck me. my joey though? she's 18 months and i've had to slap her hand away a thousand times. she acts like it's nothing. i guess to her it is. THANK GOD she's getting to a point where the words out of my mouth mean something.

 

Kids need discipline! Some of the people we see as decent adults with good morals and a job or better still a career were probably smacked by their parents and by the head teacher. Nothing wrong came from that and no, they didn't all become demons or Goths (following exceptions are marilyn manson. His dad was into porn and manson but his dad didn't smack him or nothing even for manson going down into that secret cellar)


Kids, society needs rules, discipline and perhaps the odd smack. Lets not demonise parents for goodness sake.

 

I certainly dont advocate hitting kids below the age of about 6 or 7 in any other way than a tap on the hand. Every single kid I have ever known between the time they first crawl, to the time they first walk needed a good telling off when found trying to unplug an electric socket or messing with the switch. Yeah youre right its best when kids can talk and understand because there is reason with them then, but very small kids understand that its a massive thing if you have sm,acked them. No one is advocating spanking or whatever on a daily basis just when its absolutely essential.
Toddlers generally wont touch an electric socket again after they have been told off severely once and then on the second time told off and smaked on the hand
It startles them into a realisation that this is not a good action.

Kids over the age of about 6 might need a smack every now and then I think but only if the done something so bad they really need a lesson. I mean like stealing from a neighbour or relative etc or at 6 yrs old playing with lighters and matches and setting fire to stuff etc (why do 5 and 6 year old boys get so fascinated with matches?)

But at the age of 11 to 16 I think discipline with corporal punishment should be allowed back in schools Teachers need a third level threat to back up two previous warnings with and I think kids need to be put in their place. Kids arent adults they dont think like adults and they certainly wont have moral responsibility if no one teaches them that beyond verbal warfare is personal harm, and that beyond corporal punishment is exclusion from society from exclusion from school to exclusion from society within a prison. I say bring back discipline in schools

 

I would've gotten really turned on if my french teacher started hitting me on the ass with a stick to be honest (she was fucking hot, she wore stockings and shit into school, eventually got sacked for sleeping with one of my classmates)...So it wouldn't have worked...lol

 

Beavis: Huh huh huh huh

Butthead: heheheh heheheh spanked by a woman heheheheh

 

as a kid who was raised with the spankings, i have to say, i'm not traumatized at ALL by it. if a parent isn't giving you a black eye, shaking the crap out of you, or pounding you on the skull, burning your feet, etc, then odds are they're pretty good.

 

but some are turned into bullies and thugs because they were.

beat em as much as you like just don't mark them.

Sorry if that sounds blunt, I don't mean to offend, but for every civilized human being I see, I can find one that isn't. The statement by government should be that smaking is illegal.
.

 

Dude stop being such a big liberal ponce and toughen up. Dont you realise that all this touchy feely stuff just pours out of some people who do not live in the housing estates where kids could do with a good hiding for the things they get up to, like robbing old ladies and breaking into the next door neighbours flat. These people arent scum just because they live in a council area, they need help and the help they need is to restore discipline of the adult taking precedence over the needs of children. Children are children, they arent equals in society, and when they transgress they should get a punishment in accord with the level of transgression
and I say that if a ten year old robs someone stick him over your knee and give him something to remember for his crime

 

i'm sorry, i just don't see it. i've seen those thugs and bullies. i've grown up with them. it wasn't the kids that got the spanking, it was the kid who got the shit beat out of him, the kid who was ignored, or the kid who got away with fucking murder. my daughter, who'd never really known violence against herself got the tar kicked out of her and was completely terrorized by a couple fucktard kids whose parents "didn't believe in corporal punishment." fuck that shit. kai was terrified of boys for almost 2 years after that shit. now my girls get a lot of personal attention and removal of love, affection and respect (again, timeouts). but that doesn't mean that if i swatted with of their behinds would i think they were damaged at ALL by it.

 

"liberal ponce" !?!

 

Unless you want to get hit by someone
possibly twice your size....

Dont hit your precious children....

What is the difference...?

A story...

A 21 year old man hits his father hard
one day...

"why did you do that to me son"

"for all the times you did it to me..call
it karma father"

The motto....do unto others as you would
have done unto yourself...

No smack is a good smack!!!!!

 

when I was a little kid I was out with my mother I had just been taken off reins thats a sort of harness that they used to have for walking children, anyway I saw my sister across the road and ran across the road to get to her my mother shouted to me to stop I didnt, the cars nearly hit me .

my mother smacked me quite hard I think thats the only time she ever hit me , I never ran across a road again .

I was in a train station a few years ago and there were these two evil looking children, they looked like young tony blairs or evil ginger headed pixies. anyway they were running around and screaming and when their mother told them to play quietly they told her to shut up you stupid bitch .....anyway they kept acting up ...pulling the legs off spiders and throwing the legs at people .... and no one did anything the mother seemed to have given up .

so I timed when they ran past me and tripped them both up, they fell rather badly and said that man did that on purpose, but they became much quieter .

now ideally I would have liked that mother to have dealt with her own children, but clearly whatever she was doing wasnt working .

As a parent I think you have a duty to instill good manners ,if those to children acted like that when they were grown ups one day they are going to run into someone who would kill them or give them serious damage .

Is it better to spank them slightly as children or someone get so riled at their bad behavior to kill them later

 

With skill and strength and patience...

There are far more effective ways to guide
our children...

I use firmness, reason and LOVE...

It always works....

Hitting is the easy way out and is often done
in temper and haste...

I am yet to meet a man or woman who praises
their parents for spanking them....

However I have met many who talk of how kind
and loving their parents were....

We are supposed to be evolving as human beings..
that is probably why in some cultures hitting ANYONE
is unlawful.......

 

...and of course the problem
sometimes lies within the non
ability to break the chain, as in..

...i got hit, so I will hit you.....

oh dear...

 

At the instinctual phase of child development there can be that case argued. I'd propose though that if smacking was outlawed then that case would not be prosecuted. Some people hit theirs kids quite a lot though, especially at home.

So MR MUCK is the proposal then, to allow physical punishment for the council estate schools only then, or you might even propose just for the non-white pupils, not sure where your coming from on that one. I'm very familiar with coucil estates btw.

 

well I just praised my mother for hitting me maybe you missed that , Ive always been careful crossing roads since being hit so it worked

being smacked is less painful than being run over , its also as Ive pointed out less painfull than being killed by someone as a adult for being annoying and bad mannered .

I dont think that love always works why should it ? I think your ideas are much like the whole turn the other cheek christian nonsense sometimes it works and the person takes note, sometimes it doesent work and the person runs on a rampage .

 

your not MR MUCK johnny

 

oh yes it is. When I was 8 I stole some money from my dads coat pocket, and bought some sweets, it was 50pence thats all, and the only time he, or my mom, ever smacked me was that one time during which I was told that if ever I stole anything again I would get double that punishment and then he would take me to the police himself. Since that time I have never stolen anything. I have needed plenty and been without money sometimes for two months when unemployed, and even though I often was hungry, somehow I cannot overcome that feeling that the punishment for theft is more than the reward would be. I was tempted while unemployed but us ed my intelligence and relied on friends and got what I wanted in that way. During my childhood it certainly kept me out of trouble. While from the age of 11 to 16 about 1/3 maybe 1/2 of my friends were arrested for theft or other misdemeanors I was reluctant to follow along when they did things like break into cars and garden sheds etc, theft from shops etc. it wasnt so much the memory of the spanking that did it, but the memory of the displeasure that was written on my parents faces and the thought of what they would be like if I got into trouble. Yeah I got up to some things that were borderline but where these kids went really criminal I stayed on the right side of the fence, and that gave me a strength of character I believe

liberal =
noun: A person who, because of a brilliantly ineffectual two-party system, has been made out as the "enemy of reason and democracy"

Bill: We should fight poverty.
Jim: Yeah, but you wouldn't know how, because you're a stupid pot-smoking hippie naive liberal.
Bill: Well you're a heartless selfish conservative, and I hate your views!
Jim: I hate your views too!
Bill: Well, I feel better about fighting poverty now.

ponce = a puff, or a pimp, in spanish it means prince, in uk it means gay as in lame

so0 yeah its a gay politically correct softie