I'd say as a species we tend to drift. We've got lots of abilities but dont tend to develop them. So for some , its like a living death.
I've died a whole bunch of times. Why wait? I guess thats why I no longer suffer philosophically. So yes there is some truth, but truth and lies are the same thing brah. Youlls just too dumb to be knowsin about that
Look, the fact remains, that if you have never eaten a disturbing amount of magic mushrooms, your philosophy and meditations and expectations are worth nothing. You, quite simply, have not even the faintest idea of not only whats going on here, but whats going on there. Death and life are only as different as boys and girls. The peices fit perfectly.
I don't think that we're addressing the concept of "truth" in this thread as much. But sure, truth and lies can easily be the same thing, after all, it's impossible to truly determine what is true and what is a lie, everything is relative, blah blah blah. Yet such statements also kinda kill discussion.
Thats exactly what your time argument did....it completely invalidated everything. Nothing makes sense any more when you have nothing by which to measure existence, change, the constantly fleeting present, just as you can't walk without gravity and a floor.
I disagree with that concept and this that it's very silly. Think about how long it took us as a species to merely retain certain knowledge. Knowledge is learned, not passed on through some groovy cosmic vibe. I am always silent when I post here, I write, which is much different than talking. Everyone, theoretically, has the potential for a "philosophical mind", some people simply do not use it.
I do not think that our normal, everyday state of consciousness has to be dependent on the idea of time. I simply never took time seriously as a greater concept, even as a kid. Our bodies fall apart, per say, because they simply do, it is not because of "time". We do not age, we simply die. You have to transcend your human understanding of life and think of my argument from the perspective of an animal, something that just experiences without much analysis or interpretation. Animals have no concept of time, I cannot prove it, but I'm next to sure of it. They are simply because they age, time does not make them age, life, and therefore constant death do, and those are not governed by time either. Time is just a practical way of measuring them just like physics are a practical way of measuring physical reactions of such. None of the laws of physics are true on a universal scale, they are only true within the realm of science and within our lives. We assume them to be true because they produce the results we want. Just as well, we assume time to be true because it seems logical and simple. It is something that we are raised to believe in. The concept of time is on the same level as the concept of "God", in the sense that it's irrelevant to our basic existence as beings. Yet both the concepts of time, and those of God help people manage and explain this life better.
ok, but that's not what i said. i mean we discover things, nothing we think is new, it is only discovered. i know you want to be practical and logical, and i think you are trying to make what i'm saying sound all hippie and cosmic when it really is scientific. what i am saying is you have a lot of questions to ask and a lot of answers to give. of course everyone can be philosophical. it is whether or not we learn to or desire to that is the issue. i think you are just being argumentative because you like to disagree.
I've had this philosophical debate on dying in my grade 8 in French class. It's a glass half something. Arguably, the moment that we are born we are dying. There is also some people out there who count the first half of their life as living, and the second half of their life as the time they were dying, as if the two can be divided into distinct and separate moments.