Should This Be Respected As A Religion....

the klan & the aryan-race nazoids & several other groups use religious trappings to cloak their racist cant...
you really can't stop them, but - you don't hafta, well, hang out with them...
just not my cup of tea, thanks...

 

Well my mother is notorious for turning on my brother's computer when he is at work, and I don't doubt that she would do the same on my computer. All the sites you have visited show on your Address box, so I would be a little uncomfortable if my mother found out.

I did look farther than just the title page of the site, and I couldn't read too far down till I wanted to throw up again. In this country, all religions don't have the right to believe and practice as they choose, because a religion that believes in killing people cannot justify the act by saying it is part of the religion; the people of that religion will still be persecuted.

As part of my own beliefs, I think no sentient beings are my enemies; my--I should say our only enemy is dukkha.

Namaste,

Diana

 

It's just as bad to hate the devil as it is to be the devil!

religion divides, the spirit unites....

 

Obi Wan Kenobi - Star Wars

 

And Christianity is safe from evil? If Christians acually peacticed what is said in the bible it would be outlawed:

In Exodus 13:2 the Lord said "Consecrate to me every first-born that opens the womb among Israelites, both man and beast, for it belongs to me."

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

I don't see this as a religion that preaches exceptance.

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ummm, all those "kill 'em all" dealios you quoted were from the "old testament" - so why not rail against the jews? - you did specify christians, yes?
there's a lot of wild speechifying & stuff in the "new testament" (& in islam's al quran) but wtf?
when a mob was ready to stone a woman for adultery (were they ready to stone the man she took? i dn't think so!) jesus stopped them by asking who among them had never sinned? let that one be the first to cast a stone... and the crowd melted away...
anyways, nazoids & kkk-ers & such just seem to get into doing dirty work for god a bit too easily, sorry...

 

Was Judaism Jesus' religion? So id the Old Testement does not apply to Christians Why Bother puting it in the bible.
I have met MAny Christians who often quote from the old testement. This is an honest question. I was asked to read the bible by a friend. So I did. I asked him about those passages and he could not answer me.
That is why I posted her. I would like to understand in what context those were written and why.

December

 

Wow, I have never seen those quotes from the Bible before.

My friend told me that the Jewish God is really a jealous and vengeful one although many don't know it. I guess that is what she meant. She also said that the Muslim God is really a loving one although many times it is not represented as such.

In Kindness,

Diana

 

I don't have my tanakh with me so I can't quote anything back at you. The first quote deals with the redemption of the first born. All first born, man and beast, go to the priests. The human first born were to be servants. But there's a point later on where it says rather than this, that the first born can be bought back. It's still done today. The first born are bought from the kohanim.

Quote two is dealing with individuals who will not listen to an authority. Like if the court makes a ruling and says someone has to be pay a fine of 50 bucks. But in reality the laws regarding capital punishment are complicated and I'll get to it in a sec.

I believe chronicles is a specific case and not a commandment. I don't even know what the context is so I can't really reply to it.

Kill homosexuals again goes to the laws of capital punishment.

They're dealt with in Deuteronomy mainly. Basically, you need 3 witnesses. They have to see it. They have to try ask what the person's doing. The person has to say it. And then they have to ask them to stop and the person must continue. At this point if they still want to press charges, the case is taken to trial where every attempt is made to stop things. Then in order to finish sentencing the first witness must be willing to personally carry out the penalty. Unless all these happen it's a no go. It's not as elaborate in Deuteronomy but it is present. The talmud expands quite a bit and declares a court with one death penalty in 70 years a bloody court.

 

Actually, people who take those verses literally are Fundementalists, usually Protestants, someone like Epiphany who thinks Catholics aren't Christians either. Those types of people who judge like that are hypocrites, and are not Christians, no matter how many times they tell you they are. As you know most likely, I am Catholic, and I always am being challenged by some narrow minded Pentacostal or Southern Baptist. I would never tell someone they are not Christian based on their religion, any of them. Catholics realize times were different in the Old Testament days, that is why we do not interpret Old Testament "literally", becasue of verses like those.

 

In short, no, it shouldn't. A religion should get man (and woman) closer to the sacred, to bring peace and love and kindness. This is divisive and hateful, the anti-thesis to religion and spirituality. This isn't religion, it's bigotry hiding behind a thin veneer of false spiritual notions.

 

Thanks again for getting my ip linked to another white supremcy site.

Yeah it makes the techincal defition for a religoneople belive in it.
And yes these pigs should be round up and tortured/ shot/imprisoned/ celebrated, depending on who your asking

 

In response to Black Hooded Crow, yes I am pretty sure Jesus was a Jew, and what I don't get is that with those quotes from the Bible, they seem to contradict all the things that Jesus was supposed to preach...

And about the old Testement...I think (but don't quote me on it) but i think that the Jewish, Muslims, and Christians agree on just about everything up to and including the birth and place of Christ. (Please don't quote me on this)- I think the Jews beleive he was lying about the whole "Son of God" thing, Christians beleive he was the real deal, and Muslims beleive he was a prophet for Allah ( arabic word for God).

I was also watchiong a Biograpgy on A&E about "The Unknown Jesus" and there is no record of Him as a teenager until he was 30 or somethiung like that. So they were trying to figure out where he was....Some think He was in England with the druids, others think He was refered to in the Dead Sea Scrolls and was with a sect of Jewish monks, but i think the most interesting, and what I personally beleive was that in the himilayas, there is a scroll that tells of a boy that came there from the mediteranian to study Bhuddissm and left at the time Jesus would have needed to to return in time to make it back into the Bible. Also his teachings were very similar to Budism....

they aer also similar to the Jewish monk teachings but He was probobly married and they were selibate......

Hope i enightened you......If i made a misteak...PLEASE call me out on it.

 

Jews have no indoctrinated beliefs about Jesus. He may or may not have existed as a historical figure. The accounts in the NT are unreliable and even the Catholic Church has confessed to this which is reported here:

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/Christian_Credibility.htm

if that source is unreliably reporting about the Church someobody please let me know.

Basically, he's not important at all in Judaism. Anything that we can understand we do so from history in the same way any rationalist would. His relevance to Judaism is the same as that of Buddha, only historically we have been slaughtered quite a bit in his name and nobody's done that to us in the name of Buddha.

There are countermissionary groups within Judaism that are a reaction to the intense missionizing towards Jews by fundamentalist Christians, especially through groups like Jews4Jesus and Messianic Judaism, which are made up primarily of Christians and were designed to missionize. The countermissionary groups take steps to debunk things said about Jesus and teach uneducated Jews what Jewish theology is and why Jesus has no place in it. They also have the same types of people working for them who help individuals taken in by cults.

That's more than you were asking for, but it puts things into perspective.

 

violence is the answer?



this is what they preach? and do they think contorting what jesus stood for, the message of love and peace he was trying to spread to save us from our sins...do they honestly think using jesus' words so haphazardly justifies their anti semetic ways?

is what they are trying to preach not the complete antynom of what jesus stood for?

i hope im picking it up COMPLETELY wrong i really do. i hope that it is not in fact the bible...the "GOOD NEWS"bible they are using to spread such words of hate...i hope they do not think that is what the bible ever stood for. and if they do....i could not respect them. i could not respect their faith.

people should not preach hate. they should not preach violence against and living creature. most of all they should not preach violence and hatred using the very book that bears the words of jesus and the will of the father.


religion as a belief structure stands to teach people tolerance and decency. kindness to our fellow man.



what we do to the least of our brothers we do to jesus and in turn god.to attempt to breed hate and suffering commits an injustice of a spiritual kind against god. such a suffering that should not be allowed. but, love the least of our brothers...

it is our duty to accept that....

but it is not our duty to accept hate...i don't believe it ever should be at least


no man is more then the other....so yes they should be considered a faith...but i do not think they should be respected by any accounts. i don't know if that would be considered a terrible thing in gods eyes not to respect my fellow man but i don't think the frown would be heavy against me if i did not respect them

 

The thing I dont like about white power christians is that they don't seem to realize..... most people in the bible were not white.

 

this is true.


that and i thought jesus was a jew?



sorry if this has been discussed already i just looked up the link.

 

Respected? That's your call. It is not written anywhere that all religions deserve equal respect. That's something most Scientologists don't seem to understand. Should it be recognized as a religion? Sure. Recognize it all you want. Should it be legally recognized as a religion? If it fulfills the legal qualifications, sure.

Is it a "real religion", in comparison to Christianity or Islam or Shinto or Football?

Make up your own mind. Was David Koresh qualitatively different from Jesus? What about Shoko Asahara? What about Osama bin Laden? Although Osama's name is now famous, his religious affiliation is practically unknown. For the most part, he is a Wahhabi. That's an ultra-fundamentalist Sunni sect of Islam. Saudi Arabia's royal family is Wahhabi, as well. But the mainstream Wahhabis disown him, saying he's too radical. Now that's really impressive. A Wahhabi calling someone too radical. Heh.

Anyway, before I get off on a tangent, the distinction among "religion", "subsect of an existing religion", and "cult" is an entirely arbitrary one. How much new dogma is necessary before the belief system is "new" ? Is it dependent on the dogma or the organizational structure of the group? Or the culture the group belongs to? Judaism and Islam are surprisingly similar when you get right down to it. They're both Semitic religions, that trace their origins back to Abraham. But they also disagree on many points. But then, Jesuits disagree with Dominicans on many points too, and yet they're both Catholic.

Was Hitler's state religion of swastika worship a real religion, or simply an extremely radical sect of Roman Catholicism? Or both? Or neither?

Most importantly, what difference does it really make?

 

well it does make a difference if they're using the bible to preach hate and anti semetic views.

 

How does it make a difference?

Have you ever read the Christian bible?

Jesus said: I come not to bring peace, but a sword.

Now let's talk about the crusades. The Spanish inquisition. Let's talk about Christian anti-abortion nutcases shooting doctors in Pensacola with shotguns.

How does it make a difference what one hate group has to say about Christian scripture?