Should the whistleblower be exposed?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Visexual, Nov 8, 2019.

  1. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Our glorious leader cut the mass media a deal on their rent, so I'm positive we'll find out what is going on soon enough. Money talks, bullshit walks.
     
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    Oh no's tommorow will never come to be now..
     
  3. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Methinks familiarity doth breed contempt.
    Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio, a fellow of infinite
    jest, of most excellent fancy. He hath bore me on his back a
    thousand times, and now how abhorr'd in my imagination it is!
    My gorge rises at it.
     
  4. Visexual

    Visexual Member

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    But the law does protect whistleblowers, whether you and Trump likes it or not. And the whistleblower accused Trump of nothing. The government employee simply reported something they felt might have been out of order to the proper agency.
     
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  5. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    The whistle blower is not a witness.

    Definition of WITNESS
    "one that gives evidence specifically : one who testifies in a cause or before a judicial tribunal

    3 : one asked to be present at a transaction so as to be able to testify to its having taken place

    4 : one who has personal knowledge of something"

    The whistle blower is a tipster. The evidence against Trump isn't the whistle blower's testimony, but the incident itself, which has been fully corroborated by the witnesses, including Trump's telephone call. So what is the relevance of saying the person who gives the cops an anonymous tip that a crime is being committed must be examined and cross examined to check his/her veracity when they caught the perp red handed? The only purposes for outing the whistle blower would be to discourage whistle blowing, to divert attention to an irrelevant issue, and to subject the whistle blower to retaliation .
     
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  6. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Semantic bullshit for wannabe lawyers. We call them whistleblowers for a reason, because our politics could not be more corrupt, and calling them patriots is out of the question. Donald Duck is a patriot, which is why nobody else cares to be called one anymore. Nobody half the country gives a crap about anyway. Go ahead, name one modern patriot that half the country doesn't hate. Conservatives can claim many things, but the party of honesty and integrity is not one of them.

    Donald Duck is a draft dodging wannabe used car salesman, who should be locked in a rubber room, and if he's reelected, the pentagon may kill their own commander-in-chief. Calling him a fucking patriot is an insult to men and women in uniform.
     
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  7. Is it possible that Schiff exposed this guy's name on purpose? What better bait for trying to get Trump to bump the guy off. Then we'd have absolute proof that Trump is just as efficient as the Clintons for eliminating personnel problems.

    So this whistleblower is just another useful idiot waiting to catch a slug and be transformed into a martyr for bringing down Trump.

    I wonder who will actually give the order though, democrats (going for the frame-up) or the Trump machine (doing the obvious). Either way the guy probably has a target on his back.
     
  8. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The lifestyles of the rich and famous have never interested me, trust me, if you meet enough of them you really don't wanna know how sausages are made. I'm more concerned with the fact the assholes are promoting civil war as the solution to their own insanity.
     
  9. Ok, now you've scared me!
     
  10. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    If you think money is something that only corrupts the poor, think again. Donald Duck was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, and nobody can convince me the man would not already be dead or in prison if not for that. If survival of the most corrupt didn't automatically cause inbreeding, institutionalized insanity, and mental illness we'd all be screwed. Thankfully, the Japanese and white US and EU populations are crashing so fast its time to eject.

    Either the idiots will accept that metaethics rule even money, or they will become an endangered species.
     
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  11. "I've gotten clearances for guys who had child porn issues" - Mark Zaid
    Mark S. Zaid on Twitter

    I'm sure he's a charming fella otherwise.
     
  12. How do you figure this is something to be thankful for? The ruination heading our way will not stop at color lines.

    Part of the reason for the economic nuke that's about to go off is that the economic models are all driven by continuous growth. There was never a plan for what happens when population is no longer the right tool for progress and leads to the opposite. Instead the European nations simply initiated a refugee "crisis" behind closed doors (since the existing population would never have voted for it willingly) to get more bodies into the game and keep the cycle going.

    Look how well that has turned out, for the wealthy.

    The failure is not a racial issue, it's cultural. When it was decided that Europeans no longer deserve to have their own different cultures, the easiest way to make it happen fast was to import an invasive species to the pond. Getting the local constabulary and government involved was easy, just threaten their pensions (which will likely be bankrupted by the time it's all over anyway). It's a great strategy actually. Look how long it worked for democrats who routinely stated that republicans wanted to shut down Social Security (which was never the case, it was always a lie, because politics).

    To be fair on that last point though, GW Bush wanted to privatize Social Security, just ahead of his recession. It would have ruined American retirees overnight. He wasn't openly saying it needed to be shut down, as was often claimed by democrats. It appears instead that GW would have crashed it through simple incompetence. But then, GW was always just a hired thug.
     
  13. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    Over a trillion dollars was invested in AI last year alone, and all the insanity over money is about to come to a screeching halt. China is already in the process of replacing their entire electronics assembly line with automation, while its been possible to replace virtually every bureaucrat in the country with AI for years. The only remaining issue holding back automating the entire world is the cost, while Microsoft and Intel have been working on making it dramatically cheaper and more reliable for over a decade. Next year is it, when they start to make AI an integral part of every computer and server on the planet, programming even programers out of existence with their own AI algorithms.

    Wall Street is about to become a safe bet, which is a serious problem, because Wall Street could not be more corrupt. AI are about to master economics, which nobody has managed to master yet, because our culture is one huge lie, and has to change to reflect the reality. Coloring within the lines is for those who have no dreams.
     
  14. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Do you have any basis for thinking Schff exposed him? If not, are you trying to plant this idea in an obvious deflection from the Trumpster assault on whistle blowers? Schiff and the Democrats seem to be doing their best to protect the guy. Republicans and the right wing media have been doing their best to out him. So they'd be the ones responsible for any harm that could befall him. They're now pointing the finger at a guy fingered by Paul Sperry, right wing pundit formerly with the conservative Republican Hoover Institute. The name he put out was that of a career intelligence officer in both the Obama and Trump administrations. Whether that's the guy or not, he was doing his job and doing the country a service, and his identity is utterly irrelevant, since he's not being used as a witness. The fact that Trump defenders can't get that through their fat heads is further evidence of their mental incapacity.
     
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  15. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    His charm is pretty much irrelevant to his competence as a lawyer. Do you know of ethics violations? If so, maybe you should report him and get him disbarredLots of lawyers represent unsavory clients. That's their job. Lots of lawyers are unsavory themselves. To follow the logic (if that is the right word) of what you seem to be trying to convey, you seem to be suggesting that if the lawyer for the whistle blower is unsavory, the whistle blower is also unsavory and we should therefore discount the evidence he brought to light that seems to be corroborated by a large number of witnesses including Trump himself. Is that about right?
     
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  16. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    He's probably been listening to Rush Limbaugh. Rush claims to know who the first whistleblower is, there are two.
    According to this, as per normal procedure, the first whisleblower had another person approach the C.I.A.'s top lawyer with vague accusations, he then informed an aide to the House Intelligence Committee of those vague accusations. Adam Schiff chairs the House Intelligence Committee. The aide then followed procedure and told him to hire a lawyer and file a whistleblower complaint. The aide then informed Schiff that a whistleblower complaint was being filed without revealing the source, or substance of the complaint.

    From there we go down the rabbit hole to a conspiracy theory involving the usual Deep State actors. Hillary Clinton, Obama, John Brennan, James Clapper, Harry Reid, etc.
    Schiff released his name, even though he doesn't know it, so that he'd get knocked off.

    Like Bill and Hillary Clinton had all those people murdered.
    It's all just attempted distraction.
     
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  17. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    If half the country wanted honesty in their government, they would never have elected Donald Duck. In case you hadn't noticed, they don't care what the fuck comes out of his mouth, and love all his magic marker drawings. That's not a distraction, he is playing to his audience, and getting every bit of their support. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, so long as he continues to attack his own government. So long as he's entertaining, as well as keeps attacking the same people they elected, he has the support of the mindless mob the republican party has devolved into. If they were anymore mindless, they would march over the nearest cliff like lemmings, pointing fingers at the rest of the rest of the world all the way down.
     
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  18. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Why is it so important this person is known? It's because Trump would crave revenge. There is plenty of examples of a person with information of a powerful person staying anonymous. It's so that the truth can come out in a safe way.

    All I can guess is that his cult thinks mighty Trump will expose it all. Their goal seems to be getting the two of them in a room and Trump plays "4d chess" with him. He reminds me of a car sales men. No matter how much the facts are out there he swars if only HE could just talk it out you will see it his way. He can't accept a no unless he tells you no.

    This person is facing harm to themselves or their family. Trump and his cult have made it clear they want revenge. You protect the the person who speaks of a mob boss and a president for the same reason.

    If it's all a lie let the lie play out. Clinton and Obama both ignored the crap thrown at them. They went along for the ride. They did not threaten Civil War. The cult sees violence and intimidation as the best route.

    It's funny to me since I recall Alex Jones saying he had sources "deep in the white house" who were giving him info on Obama. His listeners 100% accepted that we can't know who this person is for their safety. If Obama knew he would not allow this person into meetings and we can't have that. What matters is this man is a hero who comes forward to stop what he knows is not right.

    Same old double standard. Questions and due process only apply to Democrats.
     
  19. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The standard is "All is fair in love, war, and politics" whether you vote democrat or republican. Film at 11:00 on Fox. The ethics of Wall Street traders goes up and down with the stock market, while 80% of the public who call themselves moral, does not apply their own moral standards to themselves. None of the idiots was ever taught how to share their words and play nice on Gilligan's Island or Green Acres. That's why their population is imploding, they can't even remember what sex is for. One Japanese couple sued their own parents, after a year of sleeping together in the same bed, without knowing what to do, did not produce a child.

    They were paying fertility experts for advice, but had no clue what sex was. Money rots your brain faster than heroin, that's why most lottery winners go broke. Can't buy me love, or a brain! So I tell people, you have to be smarter than a damned chicken, because there is no damned choice!
     
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  20. That's the beauty of being far left, anything you want can qualify as "sex". Even if it involves a shoe and a tub of ghee. If it gets you off, it's sex!
     

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