Should the House bring Impeachment charges against Donald Trump?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by MeAgain, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. We've been hearing that impeachment was just around the corner for more than two years. I have no faith at all that it will happen. If for no other reason than the fact he can afford to bribe everyone who has even the slimmest of chances of getting REAL charges on the books and Trump into a courtroom. It's yet another diversionary pipe dream with a flavor leftists and democrats can't possibly resist.

    I have to admit, I admire their faith on this issue. I have a feeling some people will be whining about Trump for the next decade (unlike the ones who whined daily about GW Bush). Keep living the dream!
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the majority of Americans voted for Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump.
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    The only reason Trump hasn't been impeached is because he's being protected by the Republican party. They control the Senate and they won't do anything about him even if he stands in the middle of Wall Street and shoots somebody.

    Look at Republican Nunes' bullshit:
     
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  4. I don't have much faith in that. Trump made the republicans look like the fools they have been for the last couple of decades. He even got liberals to defend McCain and "Jeb" (yet another stupid nickname for a presidential candidate, on par with "Mitt"). I haven't seen the republicans actually defend anyone in a long time. That's not to say they haven't run interference here and there, but only to lay down a smokescreen to keep themselves out of the crosshairs.

    No I'm afraid it's the democrats who have failed this time and in a big way. They got cocky and way over-confident about the 2016 election and have been acting like petulant children ever since Hillary was humiliated all the way to rehab (private of course). From the beginning I said that impeachment was a waste of time. It was a waste of time when Clinton was impeached. Seems like that would have been a lesson-learned.

    Democrats should have invested in more actions instead of putting it all on the line for a single bet. They should have played a trifecta at least.
     
  5. lode

    lode Banned

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    I prefer bringing the guillotine to our entire ruling class and starting from scratch.

    But since you guys aren't ready, sure, let's bring impeachment charges to make the meanwhile more entertaining.
     
  6. Established Democrats don't support impeachment, because it would set a precedent by which they would be judged as well. They want dictators, just like the Republicans.
     
  7. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes I do hate him for everything he has done wrong. Since they are not just normal mistakes we all make in our work. They are dangerous to the dignity and rights of my fellow humans. They are dangerous to the security of our military. They are dangerous to our allies. Not like for example when Obama did not salute a Marine went he exited Air Force one. That was seen as evidence the man was a fit president. The foot on the desk of the Oval Office too.

    I don't know I am not a huge "support the troops" guy although I respect the need for what they do if done in the right way. I think it's much more disrespectful to say you "like people are not captured" than to not salute right. Service men I know feel the same way. A POW has a good reason. A salute like that from a commanding office which the president is is not an issue when he is THE commanding officer. You don't see that and I see that as not very nice to the military. Not something that any American regardless of party should endorse.

    He's simply a Republican and I am not. You think it's that simple. Salty tears since I hate America. No, I love my country's ideals. The issue is this man is truly dangerous and you are in a cult. To admit a "lib" (I'm not even one) is right is too hurtful to your ego and own concept of what America is.

    I might have voted for a man like Regan when he was in office. I like Lincoln, he was a good man. These two men are the poster child for the Republican party. One "freed the slaves" therefore it's impossible for the modern party to be racist even if Trump is called a racist by our allies and many Americans who are not white and MAGA. Any American who is openly a member of the Nazi party or alt-right will say they are also a proud racist and they love Trump. For some reason that particular scent of bullshit is appealing to them. The other is the pinnacle of Republican ideals. Small goverment and no tax. Just you the simple Joe Pack taking care of himself.

    Can you name any Democrat you would have voted for? If not you might be deep in a cult as I said. Your ideal of him holding supreme power is also evidence of that. "A rock in water"? Seems a bit religious to me.

    I'm sad that you as my fellow American are failing the men who died for this so much. This is not a Dem vs. Con thing. This is a failure.

    Their vote counts more. They call themselves the "silent majority" which i find silly since simple math will show otherwise. The electoral college a big goverment interference is fine when it helps the party who thinks any goverment is by nature corupt. I guarantee had Obama or any other recent Democratic won on the electoral college alone the Fox news types would say it was unfair. It would show he was "dictator" they claimed he was since he is not the leader of the majority of Americans. Sounds kind of like the Hillary situation. She got more votes, just not the votes of people who are statistically not as significant.

    I would agree whoever wins needs 51% of the vote right or left. That is democracy where a majority's opinion is the policy. To say a certain small group of people just count more since they live where they do is more corupt to me.

    Without the electoral college it would be several Republicans presidents in a row that were not elected. Not one in my lifetime would have made it. Maybe if this had happened the party would have to evolve to be more in line with Europe. For example people like me love Norway's goverment. They have socialist parties who want high import tax on any good not made in Norway and strong immigration policies. These are very Republican values. There is compromise if we accept the system now is broken.
     
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  8. Which only matters if you ignore the way we do things in the US. America is not a democracy, so this fantasy of "the popular vote" is a useless whining point. Who took the most states is all that matters. Which is why some states are planning to manipulate the way they tally in an effort to whitewash the electoral college, again another reason for the way we do things.

    The real beauty of the US is that if a state decides to shuck off the rest of them to become their own entity, it can happen. However, if they were successful with that, they'd give up any support from the federal government. Silly little things like the defense department et al.

    This "popular vote" fantasy won't make it easier for people like the Clintons to move into the white house. However, they could become royalty-esque in certain states and rule in perpetuity.
     
  9. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    It seems to me that "Liberals" defended MCain because he was right not for political reasons. Same with Jeb. These "Liberals" have the capacity to disregard their political leanings when they injustice.

    I'd comment more, but I have to go.
     
  10. I don't say liberal in the Ann Coulter manner, as if it's derisive. But I do think it's odd they'd accept/support/defend McCain in any way. Just because he hated Trump is not a good reason. This is not a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation, McCain was never the friend of liberals. He was a typical crooked republican who whined about Trump instead of standing up to him. It was a pathetic performance, much like McCain's failure to bring a proper challenge to Obama, a rookie senator.
     
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  11. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    On this note I will say Mitch McBobblehead has accepted money from the people who manufacture vote machines. Additionally, he has refused to pass bills to protect American voting from Russian interference. His behavior says he is doing his utmost to ensure Trump is re-elected and that Republican white supremacy remains in place. I support the impeachment process because an impeachment investigation should naturally cover this area, as a conspiracy between Trump and Mitch McBobblehead is obvious.
     
  12. soulcompromise

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    I admit that my knowledge of the oversight capabilities of Congress are quite limited. The only thing I'm aware of that they could do would be to impeach, and since the Senate will never agree to it they should let their energy be focused on winning in 2020.
     
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  13. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    What country are you from? Since he took office, Trump hasn't had a majority favorable rating from Americans, and his disapproval ratings outweigh his approval ratings.
     
  14. Trump made the economy great by playing golf and mocking the handicapped.
     
  15. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    i can't find reliable data on this, but i can guarantee that neither one was voted for by a majority of americans.

    i see one source that says 38.6% didn't vote. Black voter turnout fell in 2016 US election
    another says 41.9% didn't vote. Library Guides: Post-Election 2016 Recap & Resources: Voter Turnout
    and one more that gives two different answers: 44.37% and 41% not voting. that same article also says that neither candidate even won a majority of the votes that were cast. If “Did Not Vote” Had Been A Candidate In The 2016 US Presidential...

    i really don't follow this stuff closely enough to know which, if any, are the actual percentages. but it seems to be fairly likely that, yes hillary had more votes than trump, but there was no actual majority vote in any direction, and if anything the greatest number of americans just voted for "this system is a joke and we're not going to support it."
     
  16. Okiefreak

    Okiefreak Senior Member

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    Th U.S. historically has a low voter turnout in comparison to other democracies, for a variety of reasons, ranging from the fact that we hold our elections on Tuesdays and don't make them holidays to the electoral college. I, for example, have to psych myself up to perform the purely symbolic act of voting for President, since I live in a solidly Red State and am true Blue in my sentiments. I might as well stay home on election day and redo my sock drawer, since some Republican is guaranteed to take all of my state's electoral votes..
     
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  17. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Oops. A majority of all those that voted for president, voted for Clinton is what I meant to say.

    Here's what I found:
    329,329,559 population of U.S. as of 7/28/19
    200,000,000 registered voters in 2016
    Clinton received 65,844,610 votes
    Trump 62,979,636 votes.

    Pretty sorry state when so few even vote....a little over half.
     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    No, impeachment would be just a waste of time. It has never done anything of substance in the past, so why do it now?

    What is needed is the continuing gathering of evidence, then when Trump leaves office, arrest him and throw him in jail.

    You know, like what he promised to do to Hilary.
     
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  19. I’mtheonlynudistIknow

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    No. Impeachment is nullification of the election and should be reserved for most extreme circumstances. This isn’t that.
     
  20. Flagme15

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    As opposed to being blinded by the right wing.
     

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