Should I dose again at all?

Hey guys what's this! Oh cool it's a thread with neo and PB and Desos and ChinaCat posting. Oh cool what's it about? The validity of schizophrenia as a diagnostic model and medical reality?! no way! so cool! Aw, but I have to wash my hair tonight . . . too bad. Maybe some other time

 

lol

 

I wondered where you went FreshDacre. Glad you made it through a bad time. I agree, drugs (mj and psyches) are surely a bad idea for you - at least for a long while. Whatever you do, I'm wishing you well.

 

No, that's not what I meant. I was talking about self control. If your sanity is on the line you need help. While I believe it is possable, no one should try to think themselves out of mental illness without good help.

These are not just words and labels. They're serious conditions, however misunderstood. And it takes more than one mans mind to pull him out of a bad funk on his mind. You can't expect someone to be able to fully comprehend themselves or what they have to do to get better, and giving them half-assed borrowed philosophies as medical advice is dangerious and cruel.

 

I shouldn't be surprised that even this group of people can be so ignoriant of mental illness. Psychedelic drug users should be empathetic to the fleeting nature of reality.

But you're not. Just because you CHOOSE to enter these altered states with chemicals that only last for a given time does not mean it is a matter of fucking choice for the people who have simular states forced upon them without consent or awareness of it.

 

Or, you know, he COULD have actually tapped in to supernatural forces. You weren't there, and only FreshDacre knows exactly what happened as it happened.

 

I think you've been watching Donnie Darko a little too much.

 

That actually makes the most sense, that and the mushrooms could have been laced with something like PCP, in addition to all the other circumstances.

Pretty much restating what I said earlier, but that was like at the beginning of the thread.

I can't help but feel that FreshDacre is probably pretty put off by plenty of posts on this thread by now. I dig your signature, by the way.

 

See but to most people on this forum, this would not make the most sense. To most, this would be the most illogical possibility. I'm not saying it's necessarily one way or the other, and it bothers me when people are so sure that their 21st century viewpoint topples any "magical thinking". You know, the idea of the automobile or cell phones would also have been considered "magical thinking" at one point in time.

 

Yeah, that really bothers me, too. Sort of a tangent, but what's ironic is that a lot of "Christians" are like that, too, although no matter what people believe a lot act the same way.

This is something that continued to last for a long time, and it happened to someone who hasn't had negative out-of-the-ordinary things happen in the past.

 

Forced upon by whom?

 

I remember some guy telling me about some kind of prophecy where people will stand on mountain tops and communicate across the world through crystals. cell phones use a crystal to operate.

I'll have to find more out about it, could be bullshit.

 

And the mountain tops could be skyscrapers, even satellites if you go higher up into space. Interesting post.

 

I get what you're saying here. The only point that i'm trying to make is not that schizophrenia doesn't exist, but that there's a source to all states of suffering. Perhaps there's more to schizophrenia than we can even comprehend. Doctors and those that are trying to help are only looking at the situation from their perspective. And their medical perspective is more valid, more REAL than the perspective of the one who is actually suffering from the schizophrenia?

I say no, that ultimately, you are the Buddha, schizo or not, and you should use your situation as an opportunity. It IS, so you might as well stop trying to "heal" or "cure" this disease, which hasn't been working anyway, and rather use schizophrenia as your greatest ally. Your greatest tool. Notice how putting them on meds is only alleviating the symptoms at best. It's not going to the root. It's no different than pulling the tops off weeds; if you don't pull it out from the root, then the weed is just going to pop right back up.

So stop trying to fix or find a way out for schizophrenia. USE schizophrenia. It's a grand opportunity for consciousness. As they say in Inception, "the only way out is down". Stop trying to save yourself from drowning. There's no turning back. The greatest moments of transformation can happen when you realize that there's no way out from what you resist the most.

 

or cell towers. I'll try to look it up in a few.

 

also, I will say that indigenous cultures have almost non existent rates of mental illness compared to western societies.

in Peru, a lot of people who are afflicted still go out into the jungle and drink Ayahuasca (DMT) in a shamanic ceremony, while others go to see a conventional doctor in Lima, their most westernized city.

there are 100 psychiatric beds in the entire country of Peru, 98 of them in Lima.

 

I'm talking about fucking skitzophrenia...

 

Look man, that's all sounds really fucking cool but brass tax you have no idea what you're talking about. And I can't explain it to you.

I agree that the illness is not properly understood. Neither where it comes from, or how much power the individual has over their afliction. There are many variences.

But... I still think that all your pretty ideas and philosphy is based on ignoriance. You want to protect your belief in these spiritual constructs you've built around psychedelics to the point you're ignoring potential flaws and holes in your belief system to protect your perception of the world. And that can be harmful to others. Others who your beliefs can't actually save. This can include yourself.

After an extent, it becomes crazy

Open your mind to the fact your mind may not be as open as you think.

 

I would agree. The way i look at it, is that i understand much of this is hopeless to either agreement or to making a difference in the grand scheme of things. But i'm not trying to create some system that can sustain itself or anything like that. So i don't care really whether i come across holes or contradictions in my "philosophy". I'm on just as much of the journey as my ideas are. It's not like i really understand anything. In fact, i hope that i contradict myself. This means that i'm not grabbing hold to anything specific, and letting the mystery guide me by itself.

So it's not like i'm trying to impose a philosophy and take over the "corrupt medical system". I'm just diving into the Unmanifest and seeing what comes up.

All i know is that if i were schizophrenic, i would completely use it to my advantage. And if you're gonna scoff at me for being boastful because i don't have any idea what i'm talking about then go ahead.