Should Guns be Banned in the US?

You said--FOR FUCK SAKE--HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT--I'M NOT AGAINST THE LAW ABIDING AND RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN OWNING A GUN

So what then is your point? I own a gun. So??

You also said=AS I ALSO KEEP SAYING,IT IS THE MENTALITY AND ATTITUDES ARE THE PROBLEM. IT SEEMS TO LEAD THEM TO THE BELIEF THAT A GUN IS THE BEST WAY OF TACKLING SOCIO-ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL PROBLEMS.

Them?? Who is them? No socio-economic or political problems here-just adequate protection against those with bad brain wiring or bad intentions.

And most importantly---what's your point? What do you want to happen regarding self protection? Is it ,in your opinion then ,that there should be none?

 

the only people effected by gun controls are those that abide by the law, it has never taken from those that use them criminal intent ,it only makes us venerable,given power to the criminal an government and I trust neater one,
we have given up to many rights,I don`t like the way some use there rights ,but it is there rights,I`ve seen many of our rights just disappear over the years ,and we are close to losing all of them,now even our speech is restricted ,as in hate crimes which only covers sect group , crime is crime ,its no worse for one victim than the other,its just a way to bring in more double standers,laws should be the same for all,

 

Yeah lets just let them take our weapons. See how things improve....that was sarcasm.

 

Sometimes I really don't understand why people argue to ban guns. Guns will only continue to be developed and used, one way or another. I figure since this is how the game is, I might as well come with my own, since all my enemies already have them, some much more advanced than mine. Regardless, I want the protection as well. I would imagine there were people in the 16th century who probably wanted bows outlawed since it both hurt people more, and was more work, for ammo. Humans will always develop ways to attack and protect someone else. Now we are in the 21st century, some things do not change.

 

TBH I used to be a member of several UK gun clubs.
I had a house-FULL of pistols and rifles and shotguns.
THIS gun-nut just loves guns.
Please don't be anti just cos you don't know.

 

I'm betting Moammar Gadhafi wishes he had banned guns.

 

Pitt

I haven’t the ability to delete all your posts, few people who are banned from the site get all their posts deleted, but coming back after being banned to insult the owner of the site….well.

I actually would have like to have kept your posts they were a good resource but hey can’t have everything.

And you didn’t seem to put up any ‘alternative theories’ you just kept telling me you disagreed with mine as you are once again.

I don’t care if you agree with me or not – I was not and am not trying to persuade you nor am I interested in ‘converting’ you. I was just trying to understand the mentality I’ve highlighted.

I’ve explained my thinking and why I think it, you disagreed but didn’t seem able to explain why beyond that you did.

I’ve put that question many times – but I’ve also pointed out that some even when they answer affirmatively still have the mentality and attitudes that seem to get in the way of seeing alternatives to those that fit in with that mentality and those attitudes.

It’s true that many don’t say it (although some do) but many (from what they actually say) seem to believe it.

I’ve explained why I see what people say in the way I do and at length and in detail, you disagreed but didn’t seem able to explain why beyond that you did.

See what I mean – to you shooting and possibly killing someone in protection is the same in your mind to wearing surgical gloves to treat a patient.

I’m not saying that some people don’t see having a gun as protecting themselves from the symptoms in fact that is what I am saying (I do wish people would actually read my posts). The point I’m making is that the problem is that they do see having a gun as protecting themselves from the symptoms.

From what you’ve said just above you clearly haven’t, or read any from our previous discussions.

Actually a number of people who have been permanently banned have come back to the politics forum. And although many wouldn’t believe it I’ve argued more for people to stay than for them to be banned.

 

Scratcho

No, but I’d ask you again what you think are the root causes of crime?

To repeat - Here is a reply I gave to Mad who put forward a similar argument (this thread Post 255)

So that is it - nothing can be done, hell it shouldn’t even be attempted, I mean there is just no point in even trying to get guns out of the hands of criminals – so since there isn’t an alternative the only way to protect yourself from that pistol totting crack addicted gangbanger that at any moment could break through your door and rape your wife and child before putting a bullet in your head is to get yourself a gun, no get two or maybe three…..

Do you see what I mean about some people seeming to see guns as the answer and ignoring the possibility of alternatives?

Clearly you haven’t or you would have known what I’d say to your view just above and you wouldn't be asking me to summarise my view for you now would you?

So read posts 304-305 and find out…you claim to have read my posts but you clearly haven’t.

So read posts 304-305 and find out…you claim to have read my posts but you clearly haven’t.

A perfect example of the mentality and attitudes I’ve highlighted.

A perfect example of the mentality and attitudes I’ve highlighted.

Sorry scratcho but bluster is not rational argument and as you can see is very easily countered.

 

broony

A perfect example of the mentality and attitudes I’ve highlighted.

In the 16th century there was a move away from bows - because they needed training and a lot of practice to be effective - toward guns because they needed little training or practice.

Anyway please go and read posts 304 -305.

 

Are any of you aware that during WWII, the ONLY THING that kept Japan from invading the United States and bringing the war to our own soil was the "gun ownership" in this country?

When it was proposed that Japanese troops be landed on our shores, an admiral stated that they would be foolish to do that, that the troops would encounter "an armed citizen behind every tree".

They weren't afraid of killing private citizens. They were afraid that no matter how many forces they manage to land, they would be outnumbered by ordinary people with squirrel guns, shotguns, and rifles even before they encountered our military.

I can go into my shop, and, in about 15 minutes, with simple hand tools, come out with a working gun barrel that is just as lethal as any you buy in a store. For a projectile ( the lead bullet), there are lead-acid batteries, or other sources of lead (including solder used in plumbing), that I can melt down easily. For propellant (like gun powder) I can go to a hardware store, a grocery store, or even a beauty-parlor where women have their hair done. And, there are people that can do a better job of it than I can.

I don't own a gun. That is my choice. I don't need one. I have military training, and if someone's first shot at me isn't a "good one", chances are they'll be eating the gun they used. It takes 4 seconds to disable and disarm someone. It only takes one second to kill someone. It's faster and easier to kill, and that's without the use of a firearm or knife.

As long as guns are legal to own, you have control over them. If they are made illegal, you give up control. While they are legal, they are built in accordance with a number of safety standards. When they are made in someone's basement or garage, there are no safety standards, and when fired, they can become a hand-grenade that can be lethal to anyone near it, even if it is not pointed at them. Unless someone tampers with a factory made weapon, it will not explode when fired.

I believe that we already have enough controls in place with regards to guns. More laws, or banning guns isn't going to improve matters. In fact, that may actually make things worse. An inmate in CA (serving time for burglary) said that the best thing the government could do for his "profession" was to ban guns. Then, he would not have to worry about entering a home and meeting an armed resident.

Back when Paul Harvey was still on the air, he had a segment about an "armed America". He said that statistics showed that in all killings across the country, one weapon was used more often than guns, knives, and poisons all put together. In fact, one weapon was used more often than any other means of killing someone. The HUMAN HANDS. And, his final statement in the segment....

"NOW, DISARM AMERICA."

Now, read my fifth paragraph again.

On a footnote. I have nearly 40 years of "maintaining control". I do not drink or use drugs. That would compromise my control, and if I lose control, someone may die. No gun or other weapon involved.
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Ohh now balbus come on, you are a “super moderator” and in fact in this thread you spoke of mods ability to delete post (ie post 304 you keep referring to.) Are you actually denying hundreds of post were deleted?
Well either way I have stated that I have not come here to rehash things with you balbus, nor will I let you draw me into it. I find the topic interesting, even your opinion (and it is just opinion)
Have a cup of coffee and post away

 

I read your post 304,now you read what I've stated over the years about humanitys problems and what I thought about some remedies. You won't.

 

I got an idea - how about we ban guns, but allow tasers for self-defence? You can incapacitate someone with a taser, so if someone is trying to kill your wife/husband/child you can shock em legally until the cops come. Of course if you kill them that should be illegal - it's defence not retribution.

 

No I dont think they shud b banned. The United States isnt the same as western Europe...or even Canada...where there r less guns. Unfortunately there r way too many guns out there...and there is no way for us to eradicate them...so the best option is to keep it legal so that law-abiding citizens can have the means to protect themselves. However...I do believe the world wud b a safer place w/out them just for the simple fact that too many people dont know how to use them properly.

 

I read up to page 25 and I was tired of the rhetoric.

In the United States of America we have the US Constitution. And there the Second Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. If folks in Canada don't like that, "wah". If the folks in Mexico don't like that, "wah". If folks in South America don't like it, need I say it again? "Wah".

How much money does Canada or Mexico or South American nations or Asian nations GIVE to the US? None that I know of. Yet they get literally millions and billions US Taxpayer dollars from the US. And now they also want to complain about our rights....? Don't bite the hand that feeds you, my friends.

If you want to go smoke some pot, have at it. Just don't complain when I'm target practicing.
If you want to snort a line of coke from LA to Bogota, be my guest. Just don't complain when I'm out deer hunting.
And....
Until you have been drugged, beaten and raped only for the police to laugh at you AND the ER doctors that want to sew up what's left of you....you have no right to decide if I have a gun.
Until you have been beaten up because you have a physical disability the community disapproves of and the cops do nothing....you have no right to decide if I have a gun.
Until you have survived four attempts on your life....you have no right to decide if I have a gun.

A gun keeps me safe. A gun keeps me alive.

Just remember- cops are only minutes away when seconds count.

 

Coos Bay,Oregon=A man came up to the house of a couple and started banging on their door hollering "LET ME IN" Couple told him to go away numerous times. He would not and broke the windows on their door with a rock and the man fired a couple of warning shots. He did not stop ,he came on in (probably just an over zealous salesman,I presume) to what ends, the occupants did not want to find out. Man shot dead inside the house---no charges filed. Of course those people should go to jail for defending themselves-----pppffffffttttttt

 

There' also the story about a town in the US where it is COMPULSORY to carry a gun. Crime against the person is virtually non-existant because EVERYONE knows that the other person is armed and able to defend themselves.
I once witnessed a large guy swing an old lady round and round by her purse strap as he tried to rip it from her. If he knew she was likely to pull out a firearm and blow his nuts off do you think he would have been so keen to take the lady's money?

 

We no longer live in a community. People are concerned with themselves, and themselves only. Everyone has their own interests, their possessions and property, their friends and family and nothing else. I remember seeing a video on youtube of a man lying on a road covered in blood. Cars were streaming past for 15 minutes and not one stopped.

 

please let me know which town this is so i don't accidentally move there

talk about taking away freedom - i don't own a car, don't own a television, yet they want to force me to buy a gun?

this country is nucking futs . . .

edit: thanks to the interwebs i found it on my lonesome, kennesaw, georgia - little chance of me moving there, anyways:

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2003/11/kennesaw.php

 

Why should how other people feel about something hold any weight with how I feel about it or my ability to live my life in a manner I deem fit. Guns make me feel safe they allow me to have the peace of mind that if anyone should decide to invade my home I can protect myself.