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Well maybe it can be remorphed into the 'Trump Is A Political Imbecile' thead. He clearly doesn't think before he says anything.

 

I was speaking to this little gem Campus newspaper editorial: 'Your [white] DNA is an abomination'

There have also been a couple of college courses on countering "whiteness" that have popped up in predictable places.

My issue with all of this is how it keeps hate flowing.

 

He never has, which is why it's so comical to see so many people literally hang on his every word.

 

see or look up on Google: www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html

 

No it just means your allegiance to a party blinds you. Trump is celebrity more so than any other president. Him being where he is culturally important to a lot of people who feel like they are the victim. So anyone who speaks against him is part of the cultural problem. The same people who pick on you. You are obviously one of those people.

 

Oh lord, do you think I'm a republican? A "Trump supporter"? Too funny.

But this is exactly what I have been taking about, everything is SO polarized that ANY opinion I might give that questions the "I hate Trump, because he's Trump" style of rhetoric, instantly shoves me down the pipe on the right. Which is quite hilarious to anyone who actually knows me. I refuse to be indoctrinated to any "party" since they have chosen to be such rigid silos of malcontent.

I try to be a realist, and I REALLY didn't want the Clintons back in the top seat in any form. So I freely admit I voted for Trump. Why? Because the guy I really wanted, Bernie, took a dive for the Clintons and broke my heart. Prior to that, I voted for Obama, twice. There's no way I wanted to see McManchurian or "Mitt" the dog abuser in the oval office.

Since we can't vote on issues in the US, this is the only control I have. I vote for the person who I think will do the most good when compared to the other. It's not about "liking" either side. It's about minimizing the damage either side can do. I'm seriously disappointed in Obama for doing NOTHING about the war on drugs. Same as Bill Clinton. Both of them betrayed their base as I see it.

The only analog I can give for Trump is that it felt similar to voting for Perot, which was easy since I didn't want the Bush family and their creepy CIA connections running the show. Oh well.

 

It's not a race, so you'll just make one up.

Classic Stor right here folks.

 

So, basically, most HF threads?

 

Would Jessie Jackson give this award to a racist?

https://nypost.com/2016/08/31/jesse-jackson-once-sang-donald-trumps-praises/

 

I have my PhD in useless information lol. But yes I Can hold my own in an argument, depends on the subject. There's stuff I have no idea about, like politics, and so I ask questions and they think I'm starting an argument etc. And its like no, I just want some clarification. Like yesterday I ask for clarification on the racial discrimination act and I go zero clarification. Instead my questions were completely disregarded and I only have one answer for that. They couldn't prove what they were saying so they didn't bother.

When it comes to Nazi conversations I always look like I take their side but I'm not really, I'm intelligent enough to know what was bad etc. But I'll fight for the soldiers at war etc. Mostly because I like I said and you do to, you've met them you've known them, they aren't the monsters depicted in society today.

Don't matter how many you times you say it though they won't listen I mean they reading my words buts it's the messaging their missing and that's cool, deep down they don't want to know that stuff. They fear the information for it contradicts everything they've been taught and believed in their whole life.

If the ideogoly of racism was as prevalant as they suggest, America and allies would have joined in the war a lot sooner than they did but they didn't, because genocidal racism didn't exist, it was not the foundation of their ideogoly.

That's why Britain only got involved in the war because useless fucking France waved the white flag as they ways do. That's why America never bothered joining the war until they were attacked by the Japanese. Because there was no genocidal racism.

At the end of the day the Nazi soldiers were and are no different to American soldiers today, or the Vietcong in Vietnam era, or the Brits in WW1 or the Australians, Turkish and on and on and on. Just soldiers fighting a war to me.

Would Adolf Hitler have been on the cover of time magazine under the foundations of genocide and racism? I think not, quote that for truth. Like I said. Huge difference from the 20s, 30s, and 40s.

 

There was no genocidal racism...in a genocide?

Wut

Irm I get you're defensive about Germany and I also get what you're saying and know most Germans werent personally responsible for the genocide, they merely lived there and went about their lives

But there was a genocide. Based on race, among other things. So I don't really get where you are coming from when you say there was no genocidal racism when that's literally what happened

 

Yes. I agree with that.
But it wasn't the foundation of Nazi ideology. That's not what people voted for. That's what I've been saying. That's what we've been talking about.
The genocide was 1940s ideology, not a 1920s ideology. So what I'm saying is, the Nazis that voted for Nazism weren't really voting for racism, they were voting for the the things Hitler did that turned Germany around, what got him on that cover of Time magazine in the first place.

Do you think the people would have voted for him, or put him on that cover if in the 1920s or 30s had he come out and said "I'm running for president and we're going to kill everybody that isn't of Aryan decent?"

No, because that was a 1940s ideology, from a very mentally unhealthy man with a huge drug dependancy. That man was not the same man he was in the 20s or 30s.

 

As I understand it--and, Irm, correct me if I'm wrong--people supported the Nazis because of the prospect of German reunification and as a backlash against the harsh punishments levied on Germany after WWI.

But, still...the Nazi party knew what it was and what it was doing from day one.

 

Well they may have known, but the reason for Germany being so remorseful in the late stages of the war was because the people never knew. That's why they were so shocked by it all. They didn't vote for that.

The war started out taking back lost land in western Poland and Prussian regions, who lost that part of Germany and the citizens who lived there wanted to be apart of Germany again. So they went liberating, taking back what was theirs beforehand. That was the beginning of the invasion of Poland, and because the French had already declared if Poland was invaded then they were invading Germany.

The French were gullible enough to believe that, the Versailles treaty was being respected by the Germans and believed that with German forces in the East, no one would great them from the south west. Well that was an extremely poor execution they advanced and met an army that wasn't supposed to have existed. And then Britain became involved as they had also declared that if Poland was invaded then they would help too.

So, nobody got involved in a war against racism or genocide, because it hadn't existed yet and if it did, and if the leaders knew, then nobody else did either really because it was really only noted after the war when places were liberated. That's when the news broke out.

Well, you have reports that the Americans and British knew of it too, but refused to do anything about it. Blaming railway lines of all things. But this was much later in the war.

Before National Socialism, Nazism was born from the German Workers Party by a toolmaker with a declaration of "We demand equality of rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations, and abolition of the peace treaties of Versailles and Saint-Germain. Anyone who is not a citizen of the state may live in Germany only as a guest and must be regarded as being subject to foreign laws."

Like I said. No racism, no genocide. Just a nationalistic agenda. And that's all I was trying to get across from my very first post about it yesterday.

 

My stepmom's mother was an immigrant from Germany--partly why Ich kann wenig Deutsch sprechen. And her whole thing was that she wasn't fleeing the approaching Allies, but the Nazis themselves. They had been duped into supporting one thing and ended up getting another. She and her family felt betrayed, coerced into something "evil" that they did not support nor want any part of.

I'll never forget when she said, "Germany was the first European country under Nazi occupation."

Puts a lot of history into perspective.

 

There you go, that's what I've been trying to say, I think.

I think 42 and 43 were the years the war was prevailing from a military standpoint, after Russia campaign fell through the floor, I personally believe Hitler became so outraged by his own mistakes. From day one he said they could NOT afford a 2 front war and what did he do? He created a 4 front war with all eyes on Germany lol.

Then everyone started doubting him, his drug abuse went through the roof, he became drastic and unrational. He sends his own henchmen to be executed and trialled etc. His own men were organising to kill him. I believe he knew his days were numbered and with a lot of arrogance threw his hands in the air and went fuck it, I'll sort it out another way. The Endlosüng, the final solution. Which is an interesting concept in its own merit. "final solution". Not the "first solution" but the final.

 

They were all about making communists dissappear in the middle of the night a good 5 or 6 years before the war. I dont know why that always gets omitted

What Irms said, but thats the internal view point, externally everyone else was pal-sy with Hitler because they were more worried about the commies

Same with Japan, Communism had started to spread in China from 1922, they invaded in 1937, a good 4 years before Pearl Harbour. You could argue it was about Imperialism, but it was half about commies


Anyway, what was this thread about again

 

I dunno, but that's too much history for me.

 

I think Hitler would have been scared of Heydrich. The one guy he probably wouldnt have dared to try and arrest

Could argue that he just went along with Goring and Heydrich so he wouldnt get snuffed out. Certainly wasnt Hitler that came up with the idea of concentration camps

 

You’ve probably never read Mein Kampf because while Hitler doesn’t describe the exact methodology he does advocate the extermination of the Jews
and says "it will be a very bloody affair"