Sexist clothing sizing

Um, excuse me? so let me get this strait? Women who have naturally lithe bodies are ugly, even though they're natural like curved women? Some women are born naturally curved, like you. Some women are born naturally lithe, like me. Doesn't mean one is better or more attractive than the other.
Besides, if its sooo ugly, then why do more stores sell mostly tiny tops, eh??? (;

 

"fucktards", eh? mature language for someone your age.
"wanna bitch slap"? wow, cuz u know violence solves everything. Just because someone is skinny doesn't mean they're not healthy. Obesity is unhealthy too; its a DISEASE.

 

so is being a jerk. don't assume that because you have no rear end that someone with a bigger one is unhealthy. it's a sickening pattern of deliberate stupidity.

 

my problem is not with you being naturally skinny. my problem is with you thinking that since you don't have to do anything for it must mean that all those curvier women MUST just being sitting around being fatasses. it's a grotesque immaturity. i think skinny women have to have a really good personality in order to get my attention. they're just not my type. yes, i DO think that women with a bit of a body to them ARE better looking. skinny skinny women are no more attractive to me than 11 year old boys. so you'd best have a good personality. but, considering that you were of them "just stop being fat" mentality, i'm thinking the odds aren't good.

 

Why do you hate thin people?

Just accept everybody for who they are.

There's a big difference between skinny girls and 11 year-old boys. We do have some curve to us. Women naturally have shape, and just because they are thin do not mean they're stick figures.

 

i don't hate thin people, i just don't find them sexually attractive. like, at all. unless they're cool. but some jerk running around saying "just stop being fat" deserves no more consideration or respect, if they're going to be completely honest about what sort of people they are, i'm going to be completely honest about what i think of them and THEIR bodies as well.

 

you know, i'm sorry i'm ranting. but i've put up with too much shit over the years. my mother was a 98 lb runner and baseball fanatic. my father STILL called her a fatty, because he hated that she was smarter than he was. any time he lost an argument or looked like a moron, he'd just have to go on about how fat my mom was, how ugly, when she was neither. and people have been doing that kinda shit since the dawn of time. if you've got no other reason to feel like you're a worthy sort, well just go make fun of someone whose not rail thin. not everyone likes seeing a woman's bones.

i once had this idiot tell me she could steal my boyfriend from me because i was fat. which, btw, even at 5'4," a size 8 isn't fat. i told her she needed to gain about 30 pounds first.

and i've had to put up with "well meaning" advice about my exercise regimen and what i eat for YEARS. it's such ignorant bullshit. i can outhike, outwalk, outdance, outlift and out-just-about-anything any of them could do. and it was glorious vindication when the company had their yearly physicals that i finally had evidence that YES, i am actually healthier than all those hard drinking, crap eating, hipbone-thrusting "friends" who'd lorded it over me.

deliberate ignorance and baseless pride are two things i have a low tolerance for. and the fact that i'm having a hissy fit about EVERYTHING today and cried over The Santa Clause (jeez) tells me that yes, i'm definitely over-reacting. but i think a reaction was thoroughly deserved.

 

Alright we get it, you're not a lazy fatass. Nobody said you were. But please stop insulting skinny girls. We don't deserve your comments about seeing "a woman's bones" gosh, even in fat women one can see bones somewhere.

Baseless pride? What do you think it is you're peddling?

I bet you are strong and healthy. So are a lot of smaller girls. And if you really are a size 8 I don't know why you're making such a big deal about bigger girls because I agree, a size 8 is not fat.

I'm sorry your dad was so mean to your mom. You're right, 98 pounds and an athletic body do not equal fat.

 

no, this bs started with a happy little "just stop being fat" comment and the person i was addressing taking enjoyment in someone being a jerk. and my comments about baseless pride were SPECIFICALLY directed towards people who are skinny for no reason of their own doing. and they think, for some reason, they have the right to belittle those of us who have never been tiny. fuck that bullshit. i've put up with those jerks most of my life. and the whole size zero thing is really going overboard. and yet, i have to keep putting up with people like these two who think that they have an automatic in for attractiveness, when the whole point is, they're not attractive to everyone, either.

after all, i dirct a comment at two people, and YOU responded EXACTLY the same way i did. how do you think all the other people in the world who don't want to be skinny, couldn't be even if they wanted to, know they're gorgeous and STILL have to put up with snarky, arrogant, ignorant people ALL THE TIME and it's okay in society?

 

One, I wasn't being a jerk. I just hate violence; you know, being a hippy and all.
And two, you're putting words in my mouth

 

I never said I thought that. Again, you're putting words in my mouth, I merely said that EVERYONE is beautiful, inlcuding skinny girls, but OBESITY (different from being big boned) is a DISEASE.
And for your information, medical knowleged that a disease exists has nothing to do with one's personality.

 

Agreed! Thank you so much. All women naturally have curves... Thanks again!!

 

No one is being a jerk; calm down and stop freaking out. Some of us are just acknowledging that obesity is a disease; and like all disease, isn't good and should be taken care of the same way all diseases are; living HEALTHY. Just like u said.

 

I agree with both sides....but I'm seeing two separate arguments.

Obesity (actual obesity not just curviness) is avoidable for nearly everyone and it is the sole responsibility of the individual to take care of themselves. However for many people it is difficult to overcome obesity because it would require a major change in lifestyle and they don't know how to go about it.

I live in a VERY walkable area with fresh produce on nearly every corner, lots of hills and stairs, hardly any parking, and 24 hour transit with frequent service. Most restaurants include a varied menu including many fresh vegetable dishes, and the entertainment includes a huge park with a zoo and walking trails for every fitness level, small movie houses (no parking) and a bunch of little live theatres and cafes. However in a nearby city where my mother lives, it's flat, no independent produce vendors, everything has a huge parking lot or two, and the public transit is crap. Most restaurants offer burgers and fries or pizza, and the entertainment includes giant mega movieplexes that can't be reached on foot, donut shoppes, and shopping malls. You think people in both cities have the same amount of difficulty in maintaining their weight? That situation is obvious but individuals can lead very different lives for other reasons and some people have enormous obstacles to overcome that aren't entirely obvious. It's best to not piss on them and either offer genuine help if asked or STFU.

Other argument:

People come in different sizes probably because diversity ensures the overall survival of the species. In times of famine the people who store fat easily have the edge and in times of excess, like now, those who can't hold much fat are generally better off, generally. If everyone were attracted to only one sort of body type, diversity would be out the friggin' window. So if someone says they aren't attracted to your type, just relax. Someone else would be very upset if your type weren't available. If I were a dude though, I'd boink all of ya. And you'd all like it too.

 

okay, i'm cooling off. i understand that i'm pushing personal resentments into the arguments of other people, seeing attacks where there most likely aren't any. i get very defensive on this topic, because even the people i love most have doubted me and my efforts, my education, my habits, etc. it's maddening to a degree i can't fully explain and it's coming out at complete strangers on the internet, which is just out of line and childish. i hate having to deflect the comments, the doubts, the well-meaning looks of disbelief.

even, for a while, with my husband, i still had to get those sideways looks and one time "well, you SAY you do these things, and i believe you, but when i'm gone you can be doing anything." okay, how's that belief? for years i had to eat around him and his incredibly unhealthy diet. and he assumed that because he wasn't gaining weight, it must just be that i'm eating something wrong when he's not around, that it's something i'm doing to myself.

i didn't have a car for a couple YEARS. i walk for stress relief, i do hard core cardio for the sheer love of not talking to anyone and not being touched for a while. and i walked to get what i needed. but i never got skinny, i never will. i'm okay with that, because i like how i look. and i know there are thousands of other women like me out there.

finally, when dave went in for his physical, full of supreme belief in his health and blood tests, he was SHOCKED and in FEAR that while he looked great, his health wasn't good at all. suddenly he's doing all those things i've been doing for years, all those things he didn't believe in or think he needed. and his coworkers were no less shocked.

by making belitting comments, not only are you just being a closed-minded jerk, you're also lumping in scores of people who are already working hard at it. and it's something they're already sick and tired of hearing. don't ever doubt, they don't need YOU to tell them fucking anything, okay? they've heard it, they already know it. and SOME of them are on medications (anti-psychotics, birth control, etc) that is heavily interfering. leave them alone. get over yourself.

 

I looked at your pics, mamaKCita, and you don't look that big to me. You're really pretty too.

 

I haven't read through all the posts, but I got through half of them!

Firstly, I don't think the "common sizes" should be labelled "normal" or "regular". I mean, it is normal and regular, but that doesn't mean the other sizes aren't.

Also, I don't think bigger sizes should be called "plus size" ... are smaller sizes called "minus size"?

Ideally there should be a rack for each size... Oh, how about a store for each size? Haha.

I think that maybe you ladies should speak up if you have a problem with it. Maybe the manufactorers (excuse the spelling!) and designers don't COMPLETELY know how ya'll feel. Imagine the money they could make by making beautiful, comfortable, affordable, trendy clothing for the so-called "plus sized" people of the world!

Women are seen to be more sensitive to men hence the word "plus" instead of "big and tall". I'm hardly a stick, definately not "plus" either (according to my BMI and clothes), but if I was I'd rather have 'plus' clothes than 'big' clothes. If I could choose I wouldn't call it anything, though.

In reality, people can be healthy in all shapes in sizes. But carrying alot of extra weight is rarely an effect of a healthy and balanced life-style. Obesity (I'm not talking about plus sizes by the way) isn't healthy, just like being overly skinny isn't usually healthy.

It's all about being healthy, happy and comfortable, not sizes. Maybe clothes-makers should recognize this.

P.S I hate the way they call healthy-looking models plus sized models. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? Ban starvation, across the globe.

Sorry for my rant, it didn't really bring in anything new! Just voicing my opinion.

 

i literally missed my meds a couple days, totaly psycho twat to everone. it's not that the opinions aren't coming from a real place, it's just that i'm not usually a vicious monster about it. it's not the sizes. i'm okay with the sizes. it's just a number. what's aggravating is the lack of options available to a woman of ample curviness. honestly, that in-between place is fucking insulting. either you're stuffed like a sausage into something, or you're covered in a muumuu. WTF?! i've considered many times going to design school and opening up my own line, you know? i love a curvy woman's body, it should be glorified, not derided.

 

meds, eh??? interesting... glad I'm not on any.

 

I never gave my opinion on the original question: I do believe that plus-sized clothing should be more attractive and fashionable, because larger ladies need to look nice too.