seriously considering attempting to organize a group here again.

Hey guys, I've been on both sides of this fence. When we were on my families 20+ acres, we had a few people show up that had ever seen a plant grow into something you could eat...had no idea if they were pulling a weed, or uprooting your veggies, and had never held a hoe or a shovel in their lives. These people...the ones with no skill are going to be the first to avoid work just to keep from fucking up and looking like a dumbass. If you try to teach them something, and they're still unwilling to help, send em' on their way as quick as possible. Nobody expects the self sufficient "doers" to carry the dead weight that so many of todays "hippies" are.

As for the people that "really would like to do something now, but..." I think I fall solidly in that catagory right now. I left Missouri with just about nothing and ended up here in WA with the hopes of finding something. There were a few places out here that we wanted to check out, but nothing looked, or felt right. I fell into a job where they pay me way too much money to walk away and even though I can't really afford land on my own right now, I'm making enough to buy some of the things I know I'll need. Hunting, building, farming, emergency supplies/tools. Even though I'm not knocking on anyones door trying to "join" their community right now. If I ever did arrange a visit, I'd show up better prepared to make it than 90% of the people out there that are "doing it". HHB and Dili, this does not include you two. I've watched what you've accomplished and it's a rare thing for me to be impressed, but you guys have done it. I can understand why you're tired of the worthless pieces of shit that show up and eat your food and give nothing in return. Take solice in the knowledge that when the day does come, no amount of pot is going to save their worthless asses. BUTT...Don't think that just because someone isn't doing it right now, that they won't have the ability to when the time comes. My time in society is limited, I know. For the time being it serves a purpose.:cheers2:

 

First off... everyone should read dill's post a couple of times, it says things in a much nicer manner then I ever will...

A couple of points...

Seeker, my rant wasn't aimed at anyone who is in some way working towards this type of goal. That was my whole point in fact. I was very careful to use those words.

There is no telling where a person may be along their own personal path, and none of my comments (nor most others) we're aimed at where a person may or may not be at this very moment. They are aimed at those who are choosing to do other things other then working towards it.

For some, working towards it will be working for someone else pulling in a wage, others it may be running a business to build the cash to do it and yet others will go find a corner of land they can hide on and do it from scratch... Any of those, anywhere in between, those are the people that do fit in the category of those who are doing.

It is those who say they want to do this in the future and yet are spending all their time doing other things, generally living with their parents (but not always, and not all who live with their parents are the same), whining about the 'rules' they have to 'suffer' under, and how much they can't wait to get out and really 'live' life free.

It is the ones who say I'm going to go get this or that degree first, and then I would love to come and join. When that degree is totally useless for this type of life, why would we expect the person to be coming for a long term? If they we're coming to put as much effort into it as we are, they wouldn't be concerned about getting an education for a job that doesn't and won't exist on the property. Just as a clarification on this, part of the not knowing where people are, on their path, includes not knowing if they started towards a different goal first and are following through with it. In other words, if someone is going to school for something already and find out about a community, but decide to finish their course, that is totally different then choosing one over the other. But even in the case of those who are already part way through, if they are planning on coming when they are done, wouldn't it seem reasonable to think they would come to help in the meantime whenever reasonable?

As for where your property is seeker... although I wouldn't choose such a situation, you work with what you have available. I will point out though, that if you have land in an urban situation, you can sell it (even in today's markets), and have more then enough to buy the same size or larger in the country, possibly with a lot left over.

Cities have 3-5 days worth of food in them without a constant influx, smaller towns and suburban areas are a day or two better but not much. If you try to build a self-supporting situation that will sustain you through a time of trouble, being in urban areas is a bad bad start. How many people live within a mile of you that will run out of food, energy, etc and see yours and say, oh thats okay, I'll starve and freeze while he doesn't because I wasn't smart enough to do the same?

At a guess I would say zero...

 

I guess we are more what you might consider sub-urban. This is a town of 16,000. If we put our place on the market today we might have a small profit after paying off the mortgage but it wouldn't even make the downpayment on much.

 

Well, you do the best with what you can.

Where we are going is remote, but it isn't as isolated as I would want it to be if shit does happen.

The one property we had been looking at was though. only one access road to it 30 miles long with two bridges on it... lol

 

moderator aside here:

Posts have been deleted for violation of guidelines and posters have been warned.

 

suffice it to say I won't be visiting the lost acres.

 

Hippiehillbilly I just got to ask, I know I've been away from cows for a while but 50,000 dollars a cow?

Wowie Zowie, inflation is either a whole lot worse than I thought or you're making your cows out of gold.

On second thought I've got some cows I'd like to sell you.

 

lol,, i think there should have been a comma...lol..

my grammar is not the best..

if im not mistaken that was taken out of the context of a flustered rant?that was some what exaggerated in order to put emphasis on whomever having to bring something to the table if they were wanting equal say and equal land rights..

 

I just saw that and thought you could use a good ribbing. You know kinda lighten the mood a bit. I can't believe no one else even picked up on it.

 

I wanted to stop a second and say I really enjoy reading HHB/Dili's posts. Their plain old truthfulness is refreshing! Good luck on your life journey.

 

so did you get anybody out of this?

 

no we are still plugging along just the 2 of us and the daughter here..

as i stated at the beginning of this thread,we really didnt expect to get any serious responses from this forum but we figured we would throw it out there..
i think people that label themselves hippies have a serious aversion to farmer hours and hard work...lol

you see what time it is? this is my idea of sleeping in..lol
its been our experience that for your average person seeking a commune,this is there bed time..lol

cant get a whole lot done when your going to be when its time to get busy..

we are still open to the idea but im quite sure the window of opportunity is closing for anyone interested..
the economy is headed down the shitter and from everything i read on almost a daily basis we have till spring at the latest before teotwawki..

at some point between now and then we will discontinue internet service out of necessity and go into 100% survival mode.. then all bets are off..

 

wouldnt it be good to still have the internet so you know whats going on around the world if SHTF

 

i still have a radio.. thats all i need...

 

yah and of course the radio gives out accurate and the significant information needed to base our conception of what is real....course then I guess it's really only what we make it - Aye ?

 

well its like this old wolf,, i will not have any unnecessary bills to pay once the economy crashes.if they are giving me internet for free i guess ill have internet,otherwise ill have to rely on A.M. and shortwave radio..
i do not have a check coming in the mail (not that i expect anyone to have a check in the mail when it hits,i question if there will even be mail for a period of time)and i have no idea how long i will be out of work when the crash hits.
we will be left to rely on savings and what meager living we can eek out from the farm here,thats if we are even able or allowed to leave the property.

the way i see it is its all about priorities. if i drop our land line and internet that is a savings of 1090 dollars a year,the way i figure it to pay my meager mortgage and keep electricity on here will take 360 dollars a month.. cutting out that 1 bill will give me a extra 3 months of funds per year i am stuck here.
i do not see this being a short term crisis,i fully believe it will be a minimum of a year and more likely 2 to 3 before things begin to get back to some kind of normal and i truly intend to survive and not become one of the masses homeless in soup lines begging for the government to save me..

 

do not disagree....I just have prepared a few other times ....not as prepared this time but the adaptability has not lessened ...and I truly mean that it is all what we make of it anyway.
the one thing i do not have right now is seed stock...and that can be very important.
The greenhouse will not take much to put up...though if I do as it "should be', it will. Learned to 'make do' a lot...and sometimes I think this is the greatest attitude we can gift ourselves with...the knowledge that we can indeed make do...at times helping others do the same , and at times others adding to our own survival, but ...both when the going gets tough the tough get going, and it is all an opportunity should we but change the perspective a bit (or a lot ...lol)
you guys go...happy to be associated with you though in the most limited ways encouraging words might bring...other ways too, being a firm believer in energy sharing...but that always depends upon the person being willing to receive and use as well as a person giving...and the best gift is to Be all one can Be...for it feeds all.

Peace and Blessing to y'all

Namaste

 

we switched to all heirloom seeds this year,we also purchased double what we need for a seasons planting so we should be set in the seed department forever more..
i to know that no matter how much preparation we make here at some point we are just going to have to make do..
we are content with that reality,its something we have both been doing the whole time weve been making these preps..

its people like you and us that will have the least hardship an i agree we should help others along the way if we are able,but only if they are willing to help themselves as well..

love n lite to you brother..

 

I honestly with all of my heart hope you are able to do this , it would be wonderful...I wish you so much luck.

 

I'm young. I probly don't truly understand what it takes to work together in a functioning community such as your's hbh. But I am more than willing to learn. I have always been a hard worker outside and I would be virtually easy to sustain. I know how to grow and tend a garden, I am a vegetarian, I am not an idealist, I have no money to offer if I were to come to your community but I do have my promised hard labor and a few supplies for us all. As much as my poor ass can muster. People rarely hire me for jobs due to my long hair and my personal habits/beliefs.

I was raised on a farm most of my life so I do understand quite well what it means to live a farmers life and work it as well. I also have come to the conclusion that our economy is crashing, and I see a communal sort of life (take note I do not say commune specifically) as the best alternative to ride out this breaking apart of society. I would be very interested and even esstatic at a chance to join u in this endeavor. If you allow me to come give me a list of supplies that ya'll need and I'll do my best to collect them. I have tents, radios (with battery power), flashlights, and numerous other things that we could use.